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Créé par: jonh514

Équipe: 2024-25 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 30 mars 2024

Publié: 30 mars 2024

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I love the physical impact of Slaf's game and how he helps Suzuki attack the middle in a way Caufield rarely does. I know everyone thinks about Dach as a Center, but I would love to see what he can do as a winger on a line with Zuke & Slaf.

If you'll recall Dach & Slaf had some major chemistry through the preseason and right up until Dach got injured. A top line of Suzuki centering Slaf on the left and Dach on the right feels like it could explode. I imagine Dach's ability to protect the puck along the boards with his huge wingspan (one of his best skills in my opinion) jiving perfectly with how Slaf & Zuke have been connecting the past 30 games. Caufield is probably, unfortunately, the odd man out, mostly because he does not attack the middle of the ice.

I would look at moving Caufield to a second line position, on more of a finesse line, and with lower competition he will be able to rack up more points. Obviously he and Zegras are best buds and I would tap into that the same way the Avs are taping into Drouin's connection with MacKinnon.

I would go get Zegras in the offseason and pickup a RW to play with them. It's time for this team to have 2 true scoring lines.

I chose Tarasenko because he plays with a bit of a physical edge and he seems willing to sign a shorter term deal. Maybe he'll like the idea of playing on that line?

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Barron, Justin		2	1 400 000 $
Xhekaj, Arber		2	1 400 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Tarasenko, Vladimir		2	6 000 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Zegras, Trevor

ANA

Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (MTL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (MTL)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2026 (MTL)

Détails additionnels:

There is no package that makes sense for BOTH teams and makes BOTH teams better next year. If Anaheim is not sold on Zegras, and is willing to take futures for him, this is the sort of package that could help them be a force in a few years.

Anaheim doesn't want any of the Habs LD prospects. The Habs do not have any forwards they are willing to trade that are better than anything Anaheim has in their pipeline. The truth is the only way this deal gets done is if Anaheim wants Zegras gone.

I think this is a compelling package in that case, and for fans who say this is too much, I will remind you that Zegras has more points in his 20 year old season than Suzuki & Caufield combined.

Notes:

2024 pick is 6 OA
2026 pick is top 5 protected

MTL

ANA

Kovacevic, Johnathan

Détails additionnels:

Anywhere for anything

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jeff Petry: 2 343 750 $ (50%)
Jake Allen: 1 925 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	87 500 000 $	81 522 083 $	1 022 500 $	3 977 500 $	5 977 917 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Slafkovsky, Juraj 950 000 $950 000 $ (3 500 000 $$4M) AD, AG RFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 6	Dach, Kirby 3 362 500 $3 362 500 $ C, AD RFA - 2
Caufield, Cole 7 850 000 $7 850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 7	Zegras, Trevor 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Tarasenko, Vladimir 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD UFA
Roy, Joshua 835 000 $835 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Newhook, Alex 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ C, AG RFA - 3	Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 1	Montembeault, Samuel 3 150 000 $3 150 000 $ G UFA - 3
Xhekaj, Arber 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DG/DD RFA	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Primeau, Cayden 890 000 $890 000 $ G RFA - 1
Struble, Jayden 867 500 $867 500 $ (57 500 $$58K) DG RFA - 1	Barron, Justin 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DD RFA

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1		Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael 812 500 $812 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Harris, Jordan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1

30 mars à 10 h 0

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1. Extreme overpay for Zegras, we are not doing that
2. I think the best situation for Cole would actually pair him up with Dach on the 2nd line. I think Dach and Cole will work very nicely together. Then again, I think we need a little patience with Cole and let him reestablish his shooting % to at least 12%, because that seems to be his only true problem this season. If he had a 12% S% this year, he would have 33 goals, and no one would have said anything negative about him this year

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30 mars à 10 h 8

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I was on the side of sending both 24 1sts if they were ~6 & 26-29 ish. Seems to follow with what KH has done the last 2 seasons; Dach 1st&3rd, Newhook 1st&2nd, Zegras 1st&1st? We still could trade up/move prospects for another mid-late first as well.

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30 mars à 10 h 14

GiggywithGibby

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Modifié 30 mars à 10 h 31

If we're looking to move Zegras, something like your, or Guess's offers would be a long the lines we're looking at. It's been baffling us for months the number of Habs fans claiming the player taken at 6 will be better than Zegras, when the reality is that you hope the player taken at 6 even turns into a Zegras, and the likelihood of that is low.

The other option, based around 6OA that would be acceptable, is 6OA + a Beck tier prospect if interest.

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30 mars à 10 h 27

jonh514

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Quoting: Caufield

I have no issue with Cole on this team. I love the player and believe the Shooting percentage will recover. I just love how Colorado played with MacKinnon centering Landeskog & Rantanen. I feel Zuke, Slaf, Dach can actually work out to be as dominant a line for a lot of years.

Teams need multiple scoring lines and they typically don't all play the same. Caufield & Zegras can both score and pass. As a duo they will wreak havok with their speed and skill, especially if they don't have to face the top defensive pairs of opposing teams.

If Zegras has 70 points next year, would you still think of this as an overpayment? If you look at the the Newhook and Dach deals and factor in the player's production so far, this is actually very fair. Habs fans have rose-colored glasses with Dach. The player has never had more than 38 points in a season. Zegras is worth more and Dach was actually a steal at picks 13 & 98.

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30 mars à 10 h 29

jonh514

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

I think it's fair. I am adding a single pick per year which is why I am paying a bit more. Allows the Habs to maintain a pipeline of prospects.

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30 mars à 10 h 30

jonh514

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

If we're looking to move Zegras, something like your, or Guess's offers would be a long the lines we're looking at. It's been baffling us for months the number of Habs fans claiming the player taken at 6 will be better than Zegras, when the reality is that you hope the player taken at 6 even turns into a Zegras.

The other option, based around 6OA that would be acceptable, is 6OA + a Beck tier prospect if interest.

I would be open to trading Beck if we saw Newhook at 3C. I would rather trade the picks though.

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30 mars à 10 h 35

Andy_Dick

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Even IF IF. I must preface this that Zegras can return to form and not be a flash in the pan. Hes redundant in Montreal. They already have guys like Caufield, Farrell types in their org. These perimeters players should never be the target on a team that clearly lacks size and punch up front. It’s team building afterall and not the NBA!

30 mars à 10 h 38

Just_A_Guess

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Quoting: jonh514

I think it's fair. I am adding a single pick per year which is why I am paying a bit more. Allows the Habs to maintain a pipeline of prospects.

Agreed, I'm thinking we could package the COL 2nd with our extra 2nds/3rds to move up and still have the rest of our picks. Keeps our pipeline intact with the option of shuffling some positions via trade, mostly our deep LD (and also becoming RD) pool. Saturate the ranks through trade and provide another teams weaker pipeline with numbers for a better player/prospect.

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30 mars à 10 h 38

my_name_is_Fil

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how much to offer sheet him?

the trade offer cant be higher than that now

30 mars à 10 h 40

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Quoting: Andy_Dick

I do not buy the argument that a 6'0 185lbs player is necessarily a perimeter player. Smaller players with speed & skill can wreak havok on 2nd pair defenders who don't have the mobility.

I always believe injured players under the age of 30 will recover well. I feel it about Caufield, Dach, & Newhook as well, so why not Zegras?

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30 mars à 10 h 41

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Anaheim would be abolutely foolish not to take this.

Zegras is very overrated.

Moving him will be a big step towards Anaheims rebuild, especially getting value for him.

He is just not a core piece, hes a nice complimentary player. Sooner its realized, the better off anaheim will be.

30 mars à 10 h 43

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How can you look at the Debrincat trade and say : « Yep, Zegras is worth the same and Ottawa isn’t regretting that move now ». Zegras is worth 8OA max, and he shouldn’t be worth that

30 mars à 10 h 44

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Caufield

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Quoting: jonh514

Here's the thing: The guy we get at 6 likely has 90+ pt ceiling, Zegras doesn't have that anymore. I think it's a pretty terrible idea to trade that level of prospect, a guy who can be a true star, for a guy who will be a fringe 1st liner. I personally see Catton in the Cooley and Smith tier (the lower of the 3, but still). I definitely wouldn't trade either of those guys for Zegras. And if we get luckier, we might see Demidov slip, and possibly take him (If he has a good team culture), and IMO, is pretty close to the Michkov tier, who I would most definitely not trade Zegras for him. Even Lindstrom, although I think has a lower ceiling, will have true 1C potential, and can't really trade that away

30 mars à 10 h 53

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Quoting: Caufield

IMO at 6 OA, the habs are either taking a defenseman, or a forward who should have been selected at 10 OA. There won't be any obviously better forwards than Zegras available at 6 OA. Catton for example... One day in his best outcome, he becomes Zegras.

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30 mars à 10 h 58

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Caufield

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Quoting: jonh514

From what I scouted, I see him as an elite 1 LW, that will get multiple 85+ pt seasons. I'm taking that prospect over Zegras. I don't think it's fair to assume MTL would skip on Demidov/Catton/Lindstrom if available. They were clearly right on the Slaf pick, even if many wanted Wright. For the Reinbacher pick, he was, imo, the 2nd best option if they refused to draft Michkov.

30 mars à 11 h 0

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That's a lot for a one dimensional winger who has topped out at 60+ points so far in his short career.

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Based on what? He has similar offensive numbers to Cozens at the same age and on a significantly worse team in terms of talent. He was injured this year for you kinda have to write it off.

If I look at Cozens and Zegras in their 21 & 22 year old seasons, I think I'm taking Zegras (and I AM a fan of Cozens for what it's worth).

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30 mars à 11 h 1

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Quoting: Caufield

Demidov & Lindstrom will be long gone. Catton will definitely be available. Catton will take 3 years to hopefully have 1 x 65 point season. He will be smaller in stature than Zegras as well.

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30 mars à 11 h 5

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Quoting: RazorSeider53

That's a lot for a one dimensional winger who has topped out at 60+ points so far in his short career.

He has not peaked yet, it's true. I see him as a center FWIW.

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30 mars à 11 h 7

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Quoting: Caufield

Zegras will have several PPG seasons. I believe it.

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30 mars à 11 h 8

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Quoting: jonh514

Their offensive numbers were almost identical last year with Cozens having three more points and one more on the PP.

The difference is, Cozens gets less than half his zone starts in the offensive zone, whereas Zegras gets 65% of his in the offensive zone. Cozens was better offensively while being put in far less advantageous situations.

Now add in that Cozens kills penalties.

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30 mars à 11 h 11

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Quoting: jonh514

Demidov & Lindstrom will be long gone. Catton will definitely be available. Catton will take 3 years to hopefully have 1 x 65 point season. He will be smaller in stature than Zegras as well.

Debatable, probably doesn't make the team in 2024-25, makes it the following season, gets around 40ish pts, and gets in the 60 in 2026-27, like Z. I just see a much more complete player in Catton, with elite hockey IQ, very solid skater, and dangerous shot. Catton screams Elite potential to me.

Just to look at the draft board:

1. Celebrini SJS
2. A D of sort, probably Lev CHI
3. best D available ANA
4. Lindstrom CLB
5. A big D or Eiserman ARZ

I honestly think we have a solid shot of having 2 of the 3 forwards available at 6

30 mars à 11 h 13

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Caufield

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Quoting: jonh514

Zegras will have several PPG seasons. I believe it.

For his sake, I hope he does, even if he's not at MTL.
IMO Catton is simply a better fit, with higher potential, not removing anything from Zegras

30 mars à 11 h 15

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Quoting: Caufield

I know the top of the draft is loaded with D, but that doesn't really mean ANA is going to just take the best D available if there's a good forward there.

They're kinda loaded with D prospects.

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Quoting: RazorSeider53

Not to let the facts interfere with a good story, but look at their linemates and strength of competition as well. Zegras/Terry was the lone scoring duo on the team while Cozens played behind TT.

The defenders they faced were enormously different in ability.

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