As said before if Francouz did not outduel Smith EDM may have won that series or made things interesting. Smith helped EDM beat out LA and CGY not Koskinen so put that away lul.

Think what you want but if he didnt make more stops then either of the EDM goalies series may have went longer or another direction entirely. He stood up when Kuemper went down and helped the Avs sweep EDM

All there is to it. As for a goalie just have to allow less goals then the other guy to win. That series highlighted it and it helped the Avs go to the SCF and win

Yeah makes more sense to put the most mentally fragile player on the team into the pressure cooker of playing Boston in Boston. It was a predictable result.

What if Woll plays like he did last year vs Florida? I know you like to point at a few small sample sizes or just 2 games that were in fact his first 2 back from an injury to make your point but let's perhaps look beyond just those two games. How did Woll play early in the season? Or vs Carolina a few weeks back? What has Woll looked like when he's been on a roll? Just not giving him a chance because Sammy one time didn't lose a series despite allowing more than 3 goals a game isn't a good thing.

We know what Sammy is, game 1 is Sammy. No matter how good he looks at his best, he is going to have games like last night or worse. There is no room for error in the playoffs and Sammy makes too many mistakes.

May have won? You are just digging a deeper and deeper hole. They got swept. And allowed close to 5 goals a game against. When you are spotted 5 goals a game you better win. And you aren't the reason your team won when you get that many goals on the board. The nonsense of your Sammy defence is out of this world. Is he a personal friend of yours or something?

We also know what Woll is

Not it yet

He's struggled enough vs. BOS and we dont need to ruin a young goalies mindset. As the last thing we need for 2024 is a goalie whose confidence is shattered. He already had a poor end to the season we dont need it getting worse.

And your homerism of Woll is getting yah no where

Again as we all keep telling yah he aint it yet

This crusade against Sammy is getting sillier by the day. He helped them win the TBL series despite meh numbers. One bad game vs. BOS means jack all

Also that year the West was trash beyond the Avs. The Oilers beat a mediocre Flames team and a Kings team that would have missed the playoffs in the east. Getting to the 3rd round wasn't an accomplishment and once they played a team that was indeed good, the Avs swept them.

This is going to age so poorly

Woll this year played 25 games

12-11-1 record 2.97 GAA and a 0.907 SV

Second half of the season he was not good

He aint it yet. Hopefully has a bright future but rn he aint the answer in net.

The injury history and everything does not scream full time starter.

Besides his last 2 meetings vs. BOS didnt go well for us 8 goals allowed

Last thing we need is to shoot his confidence and we end up with another problem on the growing list.

Cause if they get swept and BOS scores 3+ goals on Woll the questions will grow and the answers will dim. As at least with Sammy you can move on, Woll your stuck with him

It's not even homerism for Woll. It's seeing what Sammy has done and did again last night. It's not a winner. I called all this early in the season. I said Woll was going to be the guy. If he didn't get hurt we wouldn't be having the conversation. Sammy likely never would have played another game for TO had Woll not been hurt. But he got hurt, Jones kept the leafs afloat and eventually Sammy had a short upswing but has since fallen back to earth.

I did think last year it was a smart move to get him as a low risk high reward move and he did play well for long stretches in the regular season. He wasn't great in the playoffs despite the win, and was not good vs Florida.

So this isn't about me loving woll, it's clearly just you refusing to accept any of the bad that is Sammy and rationalizing an argument in the silliest of ways.

Now do Sammy's numbers from this season.

So if we have a short leash for Sammy lets start Jones game 3 if things dont go well for Woll and Murray game 4 if things dont go well for Jones

That way if things go wrong cant say we didnt explore lul

No matter whose in net team as a whole needs to be better.

Sammy sucks. His stats rank last of out starting goalies this season and even behind backups in save %. Goaltending and defense is what is needed in the playoffs and both are weak spots for the Leafs. If one is bad, it makes the other look bad and in the case of the Leafs, both aren't great.

23-7-8

3.13 and a 0.890

Take away the miserable start 18-5-2 2.99GAA and a 0.900sv

Leafs won the majority of their games with him despite the meh numbers.

Or run Sammy, watch him get beat again in game 2 and then give him 1 more game just in case eh? Should have went with Woll and gave him several games to get back in the groove down the stretch. I can't imagine he will be worse than Sammy though now. Sammy isn't good

And thats why I say to people the fixation on one goalie when there are a multitude of factors be a problem

This teams got enough and is why I want them to go spend on defense next season then go bring back Bertuzzi and Domi lul

Sammy at least with **** numbers can win a series just ask TBL but yea is he a full solution no.

They gave Woll plenty of games to get ready and he fumbled most of them

Is 10 games not enough to get ready in which 2 were against BOS, one was against FLA, and another TBL?

If it was 3 or 4 100% agree but 10's a pretty good runway. Heck would have gave him the TBL to make it 11

That's fair, but Sammy's not it either. He's an incredibly streaky goalie and not the guy you want to ride in the playoffs even when the defense is clicking. He can pull games out of his rear end on occasion but he can also cost team's games. He's a fine backup, but Leafs need a more reliable starter along with at least one top 10 shut down defender in the league.

Oh for sure he should not be viewed as the full on saviour or someone in the ballpark of a super starter.

But we have seen goalies like him win cups just ask Adin Hill and if this team was built right no reason to see him not do it either.

I find the thing in todays league is there arent many super starter goalies like

NYR have Shesterkin
WPG have Hellybuyck
TBL have Vasilesky (yes wasnt great but he was out most of year)

ETC

The early 2000's were just full of these guys

Quick, Crawford, Fleury, etc.

Today you either need to find someone who just has a magical run or build up everything else than just have someone whose good, not excellent not great just good


To me if this team can just find someone who can be good and then go significantly improve this Dcore they can be great

As then if you have a really good Dcore and system to support said goalie your golden

Cause a team is like a well oiled machine, everything needs to click to work

Look at Van and their transformation especially defensively

Thats the model to follow

Out: OEL and Schenn

In: Zadorov, Soucy, Hronek, Cole

This offseason I want to see

Out: Edmundson, Lybushkin, Brodie

In: Roy, Demelo, Dillon

How many did the team show up for? Did TO show up in any of them? Here is the thing with you. Sammy loses, it's everyone but him that is to blame, Woll? Always his fault. This is why your argument is dumb.

This certainly reinforces the thought that Woll was hung out to dry by the team a lot down the stretch. Sammy went 18-5-2 while still allowing 3 goals a game and stopping only .900. He's not good.

You could argue the same with Sammy to. There really is no excuse for one in comparison to the other

Both have gotten support, both have let in stinkers, there is no difference

No matter who starts or finished that game 1 outcome would have been the same with team performance

Dont matter if ones better at rebounds or this and that neither would have had fun lul

Whoever finishes this series is a mystery but if they dont win there are gonna be changes to this team thats for sure. We may see them go **** it and go all in on a Goalie and Dman. I hope not but lets see

Except the first half of the year is part of Sammy. At his best this season he won despite allowing 3 goals a game. At his worst he passed through waivers. Woll at his best was very good and at his worst (coming off an injury). He was on par with Sammy but didn't get the goal support.

After rewatching the sequence that lead to goal 1 I owe Joel Edmundson an apology as while he did pinch Reaves crunching Maroon into him not allowing him to get back was a what can I do moment for the Dman.

There be a good photo of it on SDPN and also highlights what we all said Reaves should not have been game 1 cause of this.

If BOS had murdered TOR physically than yes would have put him game 2 to calm things but yea game 2 he should be out or if he still is in needs to not force a hit

That line was the only line that did anything!


Don't worry about him, I 100% agree with your take here

Did that line score or do anything positive that game

No

The only line to contribute offense was...The 4th line

Kampf, Reaves, and Dewar so far have more playoff points than Matthews, Domi, Marner, Bertuzzi this series. Since last playoffs Leafs in 8 playoff games have not scored above 2 goals....

And last night we saw it again but this time that new supposed super line just paraded itself to the box lul. With the only memorable shift for Matthews being he missed on an empty net.

The real stuff we saw 4 lazy bad penalties between the 3 of them = unacceptable especially for Bertuzzi and Matthews, control your sticks better. This is peewee hockey basics 101

Dont know why your saying that line was good and did stuff when it didnt. They allowed more High Danger chances than they generated, didnt outshoot anyone 7 to 7, had the lowest XGF of the 4 lines with 54.39%. Only little thing is scoring chances for with 8 but oh wait scoring chances allowed 6. So a minimal differential. Least the Robertson line had a better differential of 6 to 2

And for Domi especially he better get his act together or he's either 1. Getting suspended or 2. Not finishing this series with Matthews thats 100% for sure