Tankathon simulation and offseason Part 1

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

Wilson's work is underrated as some of the worst work ever

All these extensions into late 30s and the Karlsson trade.

Should get alot more hate (although we all have tried to tell sharks fans for years)

22 mars à 9 h 23

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Quoting: Lancebmx

Bystedt was a steal while Lund and Havelid look to be alright. I agree that Grier sometimes could do better on the trade block, but in general id give him a B for the rebuild so far. I really dont think we need to buy out vlasic as this team likely isnt even at the cap floor right now

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After this draft, San Jose will have a top-3 prospect pool (if not #1). I think Grier has done very well.

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22 mars à 10 h 54

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Quoting: Lancebmx

The trade back in 22 only happened because the two D the team was targeting got picked and Sharks had like the 24th ranked prospect pool and needed pieces, still to this day think we should have drafted Lambert and then Bystedt in the 2nd where most draft analysts had him.
That said Bystedt will never be a top 6 C but he has a real shot at being a Sturm like depth C for us and Lund has been making improvements and was a PPG guy in college this year, Havelid is very small D but has some good offensive skill and those 3 all likley see at least a little NHL action!

But yes your comments are very accurate and when you take emotion and Fandom away the deals Grier have made make a lot of sense in the long run.

22 mars à 10 h 56

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

And yes Wilson left a disaster one of the worst and weakest prospect pools maxed out cap situation with aging players and no real assets to make this a fast turnaround/ retool like they said they wanted to do.

Karlsson having a 100pt season and playing all 82 was such a blessing to be able to move him without retaining 1/2 his deal! Hertl had value and sad to see him go but Grier is right that it needed to be done.

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22 mars à 11 h 0

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Quoting: Garak

Ownership didn’t want a full rebuild because they feared the loss of fans, but they are doing it anyways finally!
To be honest our ownership is very hands off and he lets these guys do their jobs.

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22 mars à 11 h 3

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Wilson gave us 15 years of teams that were cup contenders (just never got us over the hump!) and I get he was trying to go for 1 more run but at some point the bill is due and that’s what we are dealing with. I don’t hate Wilson for his work and what he did because at some point this was inevitable. But he did set a bomb us before he left the house!

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Quoting: sharcuda22

Bystedt is a good prospect with an NHL ceiling but still think we could have had him with our 1st 2nd and gotten Lambert as well! But I don’t hate that draft.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Ownership didn’t want a full rebuild because they feared the loss of fans, but they are doing it anyways finally!
To be honest our ownership is very hands off and he lets these guys do their jobs.

Yeah... I think they have their front office on a shorter leash than most would think. They exude a feeling of being hands off, while also breathing down Grier's neck. Maybe that has let up a bit, though. Things seemed a lot more contentious earlier on in his tenure as GM.

22 mars à 11 h 16

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

The Karlsson trade and extension is the worst. Could have retooled with those assets and cap space alone.

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22 mars à 11 h 16

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Bystedt is a good prospect with an NHL ceiling but still think we could have had him with our 1st 2nd and gotten Lambert as well! But I don’t hate that draft.

That is a very good criticism and I agree, walking away with Lambert Bystedt Havelid is far better

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22 mars à 11 h 18

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

The Karlsson trade and extension is the worst. Could have retooled with those assets and cap space alone.

I mean if he doesnt get hurt in the 2019 cup run we likely go to the SCF again so I dont even mind that trade even though it hardly worked out. IMO the only huge error he made was resigning Kane over Pavs everything else just seems like the cost of doing business.

22 mars à 11 h 21

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Quoting: sharcuda22

The Karlsson trade cost you Norris, stutzle and so many assets and you could argue they don't have to trade hertl and/or meier and/or could instead have dumped vlasic or couture. All time bad

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

The Karlsson trade cost you Norris, stutzle and so many assets and you could argue they don't have to trade hertl and/or meier and/or could instead have dumped vlasic or couture. All time bad

Sure but we also went from being a WCF to horrible so we couldn’t have predicted that. With retrospect it was a terrible trade but at the time not out of place.

22 mars à 15 h 7

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Quoting: sharcuda22

Sure but we also went from being a WCF to horrible so we couldn’t have predicted that. With retrospect it was a terrible trade but at the time not out of place.

Giving a 30 year old 92 million dollars to age 38 with his injury history didn't seem out of place?

After paying couture, burns, vlasic and others into their late 30s as well?

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

Giving a 30 year old 92 million dollars to age 38 with his injury history didn't seem out of place?

After paying couture, burns, vlasic and others into their late 30s as well?

Those were core players, like I was saying, that was the cost of keeping everyone around otherwise we would have been in the middle ground for a retool. Everyone knew we were just putting off being bad by a few years, no one would have guessed that vlasic would just fall off a cliff and EK9 would blow up the locker room combined with Karlssons drop off due to injury. The Norris contract also is looking worse and worse by the day. It was a mistake but id take 16 years of playoffs for 6 years of being uncompetitive any day, rebuild could have taken even less time if we had continued to try to compete when Wilson was on injury leave

22 mars à 15 h 28

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Quoting: sharcuda22

It's already year 5 of no playoffs, it's gonna be longer.

My point is you could just not have done the Karlsson trade and probably never have had to bottom out.

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

It's already year 5 of no playoffs, it's gonna be longer.

My point is you could just not have done the Karlsson trade and probably never have had to bottom out.

I dont think thats true at all. Even without the Karlsson trade martin jones and vlasic self destructing probably means we middle out, and with the state of our prospect pool at the time we might have had two helpful graduations and almost certainly we would not have drafted stutzle. Yes i think that we will be bad again next year (year 6) and then the following year start pushing for a playoff spot although i dont expect us to quite make it in 25/26.

22 mars à 16 h 38

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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld

It's already year 5 of no playoffs, it's gonna be longer.

My point is you could just not have done the Karlsson trade and probably never have had to bottom out.

Hindsight is 20/20! But truth be told teams need to bottom out to get the best prospects in order to become a cup contender! Bottoming out was inevitable after 18 years of being in playoff contention and 4 WCF berths

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Quoting: sharcuda22

24/25 we will still be bottom of the leauge, 25/26 will be better but not sure we hit that layoffs till 26/27! At the earliest.

23 mars à 8 h 50

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

24/25 we will still be bottom of the leauge, 25/26 will be better but not sure we hit that layoffs till 26/27! At the earliest.

That is also the timeline im assuming. Like 2024: 32nd 2025: 32nd 2026: 20th 2027:16th for example.

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