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Who is the better player

Créé par: mv21227
Équipe: 2023-24 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 20 mars 2024
Publié: 20 mars 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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For a debate I’m having with @Caniac2000
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VAN
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Détails additionnels:
Some of KK’s stats this season:
11G, 13A, 24P in 69 GP
54.46 xGF%
3.13 xGF/60
2.62 xGA/60
CAR
  1. Garland, Conor
Détails additionnels:
Some of Garland’s stats this season:
14G, 19A, 33P in 69GP
59.15 xGF%
2.94 xGF/60
2.03 xGA/60
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20 mars à 11 h 34
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Right now? Garland
For the rest of their careers? KK

I know how you feel though, guy tried saying Necas was better than Caufield, his bias is to his core
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20 mars à 11 h 41
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Right now? Garland
For the rest of their careers? KK

I know how you feel though, guy tried saying Necas was better than Caufield, his bias is to his core


Find a way to show me Necas isn't better than Caufield, I'll wait.
20 mars à 11 h 42
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Kotkaniemi. 23 years old, more valuable position, already an incredible play driver, signed long term so better value contract, and Kotkaniemi's got comparable counting stats with FAR worse linemates. Would like to point out Garland is playing with Pettersson right now
20 mars à 11 h 45
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The issue here is trying to have this debate. As a canes fan, I’ve the named party as part of the subsection of Canes fans on here on my own ignore list.
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20 mars à 11 h 47
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Find a way to show me Necas isn't better than Caufield, I'll wait.


We've already been through this man, all you did was cry about point pace and he's a better skater and then double down saying Necas was better than Caufield at everything listed as CC being better at.

Basic tenant in the league, the younger, better point producer, that's signed long term is more valuable than the other guy.
20 mars à 11 h 47
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Kotkaniemi. 23 years old, more valuable position, already an incredible play driver, signed long term so better value contract, and Kotkaniemi's got comparable counting stats with FAR worse linemates. Would like to point out Garland is playing with Pettersson right now


He was put with Pettersson to get him going so that last line is a bit misleading Garland has mostly played with Joshua and Blueger/Suter.

But yeah over the rest of the contract KK is more valuable in this season alone. I'd say Garland.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Kotkaniemi. 23 years old, more valuable position, already an incredible play driver, signed long term so better value contract, and Kotkaniemi's got comparable counting stats with FAR worse linemates. Would like to point out Garland is playing with Pettersson right now


As I pointed out to you on the other thread which you ignored, Garland has played 1 game with Hoglander and Pettersson. His linemates for the majority of the season have been Joshua and Blueger up until Joshua got injured. After that his most common linemates have been Suter, Lindholm (who’s struggled with the Canucks), Podkolzin, and Mikheyev

Meanwhile KK’s most common lines this year are Bunting-KK-Necas, Teravainen-KK-Necas, Necas-KK-Svech, and Teravainen-KK-Svech. Those are significantly better than Garland’s linemates
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20 mars à 11 h 49
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We've already been through this man, all you did was cry about point pace and he's a better skater and then double down saying Necas was better than Caufield at everything listed as CC being better at.

Basic tenant in the league, the younger, better point producer, that's signed long term is more valuable than the other guy.


Necas is about to be signed longer than Caufield is, so has more control, and this is the only season Caufield has had comparable totals to Necas, let alone outproducing him. And it's not even a certainty Caufield will end the season outproducing Necas. Caufield has 5 more points in 4 more games. Necas can easily make that up, and let's not forget here, Necas is the better two way player, more complete player, and better skater.
20 mars à 11 h 50
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As I pointed out to you on the other thread which you ignored, Garland has played 1 game with Hoglander and Pettersson. His linemates for the majority of the season have been Joshua and Blueger up until Joshua got injured. After that his most common linemates have been Suter, Lindholm (who’s struggled with the Canucks), Podkolzin, and Mikheyev

Meanwhile KK’s most common lines this year are Bunting-KK-Necas, Teravainen-KK-Necas, Necas-KK-Svech, and Teravainen-KK-Svech. Those are significantly better than Garland’s linemates


Kotkaniemi's most common linemates since the conclusion of the first 20 games where he was at a point per game pace has been Fast and Teuvo. Would you rather play with Fast and Teuvo or Lindholm and Suter? Come on...
20 mars à 11 h 57
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Necas is about to be signed longer than Caufield is, so has more control, and this is the only season Caufield has had comparable totals to Necas, let alone outproducing him. And it's not even a certainty Caufield will end the season outproducing Necas. Caufield has 5 more points in 4 more games. Necas can easily make that up, and let's not forget here, Necas is the better two way player, more complete player, and better skater.


Necas plays in a better defensive system with better defensive players, he should be better defensively.

And let's not forget that Cole is still younger and is actually playing against other teams top lines and d pairs. He doesn't have the luxury of playing behind Aho, Guentzel and Svech.

Come back when Necas is actually the go to guy, not just a ride along player
20 mars à 11 h 59
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Necas plays in a better defensive system with better defensive players, he should be better defensively.

And let's not forget that Cole is still younger and is actually playing against other teams top lines and d pairs. He doesn't have the luxury of playing behind Aho, Guentzel and Svech.

Come back when Necas is actually the go to guy, not just a ride along player


Necas is the go-to guy... what are you talking about? He plays with Svechnikov and Kuznetsov, behind Jarvis and Guentzel... he plays all situations (something Caufield doesn't) and plays against top quality defensive pairs and lines anyway. His speed is half of the Canes offense for christ sake, all you're showing me is that you are completely unfamiliar with Necas
20 mars à 12 h 7
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Necas plays in a better defensive system with better defensive players, he should be better defensively.

And let's not forget that Cole is still younger and is actually playing against other teams top lines and d pairs. He doesn't have the luxury of playing behind Aho, Guentzel and Svech.

Come back when Necas is actually the go to guy, not just a ride along player


At the end of the day they are similar players. Yes Caufield has the higher value. Both electric offensive players, who suck at defense. Necas has more of an all around offensive ability, and Caufield has a ridiculous scoring ability. Wont be surprised at all when he puts up 40+ goals next season.
20 mars à 12 h 13
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Garland by a comfortable margin.

Kotkaniemi has broken the brains of carolina fans.

He's a 4C who is a black hole of production. Not a shred of evidence exists that he is good at anything
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20 mars à 12 h 14
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Kotkaniemi's most common linemates since the conclusion of the first 20 games where he was at a point per game pace has been Fast and Teuvo. Would you rather play with Fast and Teuvo or Lindholm and Suter? Come on...


You keep saying that. He had 14 points after 20 games, nowhere close to a ppg
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20 mars à 12 h 15
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We've already been through this man, all you did was cry about point pace and he's a better skater and then double down saying Necas was better than Caufield at everything listed as CC being better at.

Basic tenant in the league, the younger, better point producer, that's signed long term is more valuable than the other guy.


You must know how painful this is for me personally, but i agree with caniac.

Caufield is maybe more overrated than kotkaniemi. He's a bite sized Mike hoffman
20 mars à 12 h 17
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Kotkaniemi's most common linemates since the conclusion of the first 20 games where he was at a point per game pace has been Fast and Teuvo. Would you rather play with Fast and Teuvo or Lindholm and Suter? Come on...


Where is he playing now? 😭😭
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20 mars à 12 h 19
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Garland by a comfortable margin.

Kotkaniemi has broken the brains of carolina fans.

He's a 4C who is a black hole of production. Not a shred of evidence exists that he is good at anything


You must realize that to Caniac, his players are automatically better.

I think it’s hilarious, though. If KK was on any other team he’d be calling him a cap dump.
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20 mars à 12 h 40
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Garland 100%
20 mars à 12 h 45
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Right now, it’s Garland. Within the next couple of years, and years down the road, it would more than likely be KK.
 
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