Gonna need more to dump Campbell

Not nearly enough for Parayko, who isn't available btw

Lol @ not nearly enough for Parayko! Oilers got Ekholm for less than this last year and he's a better defender. Parayko's deal will not age well....

Theoretically what would be enough?

Brother if you think Parayko is getting more than two 1sts you are going to be so disappointed when the blues are paying 1-2 1sts to dump his contract in 3-4 years time lmao

Or they very simply buy him out if it ages poorly. His contract is front loaded. Would think if you are such an expert on his price in that time frame you would understand the contract framework.

Why would we trade a number one RD in the prime of his career without a competent number 1 coming back?
Defense is already horrible as is, so getting rid of our only shut down guy makes no sense unless we intend on a Chicago or Anaheim level rebuild.

Like what @AC14 said, if it ages poorly the buyout is fairly cheap and reasonable in a few years anyway. But with the cap going up drastically, 6.5mil for a top d-man is a steal. And who knows, say in 2 or 3 years he is still at a high level and the team still isn't competing, then a trade could be on the table and get just as much, if not more than this offer



It's tough to tell what is enough because it would have to be a minute muncher top RD coming back, or someone that's a prospect projected to be that in a year or two. But if that were the asking price, why even give that up for Parayko? It just doesn't make much sense. Does Parayko have the best metrics? Not really, but he's also had partners of Krug and Leddy the last two years. Neither is a competent 1LD. So Parayko gets put on an island out there while still putting up 22+ minutes a night easily

What do you think parayko is worth?

Hanging onto.

Change Bourgalt to broberg and add a 3ed or something, or get rid of him and add a first grier probs does it

It’s a good offer but the Blues can’t afford to move Parayko unless they find a future near term first pair RHD. If the Blues had projectable RHD I’d do this deal but we don’t and we cant

Hahahah! That's funny. I see what you did there. I too would like to know his value, but at the same time i don't. I don't want to see horrible Parayko trades any longer than i have to. All i can imagine is that it is a lot. He actually is an underrated defence man, and trading him would be a mistake. Also, Blues are not in a rush to get rid of him. Have a good one!

Well I think value in a vaccuum isn't something you can really quantify. Instead look at where the Blues are at. We have alot of vets who are still productive but aging and expiring in 3-4 years: Faulk, Krug, Schenn, Binnington, Saad, Leddy, Hayes. We have two young players one of which is bordering stardom and the other has been while inconsistently a top 60 point getter in the NHL on a per game basis, we have a loaded forward prospect pool, we have a very good young goalie who is already at the NHL level. The vets on the back end are slotted a position or two higher than they need to be and we can't really fix it by clearing Parayko's cap and replacing Parayko. Parayko is far and away our best defender and realistically he's the only defender who is trustworthy to matchup and he still produces at an ok number not high end.

What you're asking us to do in trading Parayko is one of 3 things. 1. Add a #1 defenseman and a #2/3 defenseman with 6.5m available in cap space. 2. Completely restructure the way our defense works with pieces that are not suitable for handling defensive assignments locked up long term. 3. Wait 3-4 years and completely reconstruct our defense.

Number 1. Not possible especially via free agency. Those guys rarely ever reach UFA status. We could possibly try to trade for one, but then we're robbing peter to pay paul with our forward prospect pool.
Number 2. We could move to a full on transition style defense. A few issues with this though. Our forward group is rather slow. We have maybe 3-4 average to above average skaters on any given night in our group of 12. That's not a great recipe for success.
Number 3. This would take 3-4 years to probably fully begin. We don't have anyone in the system aside from Lindstein who is at least 2-3 years away that's very clearly on a path that would put them as a top 4 defenseman. We would have to draft and develop a #1 defenseman, Lindstein, and quite possibly another top 4 defenseman as i'm assuming prying 1 away is reasonable, prying multiple is not. That sets us on a timeline of 5-6+ years out, we have Thomas and Kyrou signed for 8 years. If we're going that route, we should trade them as well. Our GM/Pres of hockey ops has very clearly over and over again stated they aren't going to enter into a full rebuild. They're instead going to try and get back to the culture they had before.

So what sort of a return should the Blues entertain in a hypothetical Parayko trade? No less than a young top pairing potential defenseman. They need to identify and establish who that is. But of the teams that are actively (on this forum) looking to acquire Parayko, none of them have anything close to resembling that. Any combination of late 1sts and already drafted B/C Prospects have such a low liklihood of returning what we need it's more risky to go that route than it would be to just hold on to Parayko as these older contracts phase out and hope through the picks we have ourselves we can establish or fix the issue. We aren't in a great spot but we are in far from a bad spot.