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Trade Assets and Trade Targets - Crucial TDL Needs Big Moves

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 24 févr. 2024
Publié: 24 févr. 2024
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SJS
    San Jose has a crucial TDL ahead. The base of their rebuild has already started and it’s solid but solid isn’t “great”. Now they need to add to their “pyramid” that their building and sharpen the spear.

    You have Eklund, Smith, Shakir followed Cagoni, Musty, Gushchin, Halttunen, Bordeleau, Zetterlund, Thrun, Bystedt and a large grouping of mid range long shots that have some great upside.

    But in my eyes this TDL is monumental to set up the offseason and draft.

    There have been some stumbles, like the Burns trade - but some homeruns like Meier (who I still hope gets a cup with NJD).
    EDM
    2.
    SJS
      San Jose assets and values in my eyes (subjective) and objective (my opinion on likely returns).

      Assets:

      Hertl to start:
      Nearly valued around Meier but unlikely to come close to his return. So probably a first and a good prospect with maybe some additional player for cap reasons and maybe a mid pick.

      I do not think San Jose should trade Hertl. It would be unwise but if he asks to go you have to respect it.

      Couture.
      Retires/ not being traded stop using him lol.

      Ferraro:
      Likely to be traded before next year. I think San Jose can get more at TDL than draft day but it’s a lot harder to trade Ferraro at TDL than draft day. So it could be a double edged sword were they settle at TDL for a first but maybe coulda got slightly more at Draft day due to teams having to build new rosters.

      Before y’all start yapping; Ferraro IS NOT WORTH LESS THEN A FIRST to the Sharks. That’s why everyone who actually reports around the Shark has stated : Ferraro at a first + is an overpay, but Grier is only moving Mario for an overpay. There is no reason to trade Ferraro for a fair return. That’s why before TOR fans start crying about the reports or trade proposals- Mario isn’t going to be traded for a bad return unless Grier settles; and guys like Sheng don’t think Grier will settle on a lowball.

      Granlund :
      Imo he could return a first-ish @50% this TDL but I don’t think Grier wants to trade Granlund at 50% so it’s hard to gauge anything.

      Chmelevski :
      Interesting player to value. I have no idea but I think Grier could get another prospect or a decent pick. He won’t return to SJ so we’ll see.

      Rutta - Bourroughs
      Don’t think the Sharks should completely nuke their D line on the right by trading these guys but he if someone offers and overpay you’d probably have to accept.

      Kaapo Kahkonen
      Probably their BEST trade asset in terms of trade ability as well as pure performance as he’s had solid stats and amazing analytics behind literally a joke of a roster at times.

      I think he should get minimum a 2nd since Hill got a 3rd but we’ll see how Grier plays it. Sometimes holding out for the right value can bite you. I trust he’ll get it done well.

      Duclair
      Should be traded but I doubt we’ll see more than a 3rd at most (the high end of the value).

      Barabanov
      GUARANTEED TO BE SOLD FOR A 4th THEN PERFORM AMAZINGLY ON HIS NEW TEAM.

      Hoffman - Labanc
      Don’t see a market for them.
      EDM
      3.
      SJS
        Trade Targets:

        Campbell
        Goodrow

        Will improve the Sharks rounds in the chamber at the 2024 draft which I think is amazing for the Sharks to draft a lot in. They NEED to be acquired imo 🤷‍♂️

        Broberg
        I don’t really care for but if the Sharks trade Ferraro and want Shakir to play better hockey, with the Cuda (top minutes), then Broberg could try out if Ferraro is gone with top 4 icetime in the NHL.

        Seamus Casey
        Another player where there’s gonna be argument. But I have the same opinion (that I’ve said for a while) that some experts are reporting; Casey has no room on the Devils to reach his full potential. He’s gonna go for being a number 1 to a number 5-7 on the Devils and only injuries will allow him to grow into the roster. This isn’t the best situation for the Devils or Casey; and I think he should be on the Sharks priority list, maybe the 2nd to 4th highest target.

        I don’t see many more options for the Sharks as I believe they need to complete the 2024 draft to continue making large decisions in terms of acquisitions/ specific targets.
        EDM
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        SJS
        1. Bourgault, Xavier
        2. Brown, Connor
        3. Campbell, Jack
        4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
        5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
        6. Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (EDM)
        Détails additionnels:
        Highest Priority Trade imo
        EDM
        1. Barabanov, Alexander
        2. Kähkönen, Kaapo
        Détails additionnels:
        Barabanov is a player whose value has plummeted and I don’t see him getting a large return.

        Here is Kaapo for a 2nd
        Xavier and a first for Campbell
        Barabanov and Brown swapped for a 4th
        5.
        SJS
        1. Casey, Seamus [Liste de réserve]
        Détails additionnels:
        Next Highest Priority Trade imo
        NJD
        1. Chmelevski, Alexander [Liste de réserve]
        2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (SJS)
        3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2026 (SJS)
        Détails additionnels:
        Chmelevski has 55points in 62(?) games, if I recall correctly, and has an NHLPe still evaluating him around a 2nd line player (not saying that’s anything special just giving more info).

        Let’s guess Chmelevski is worth around a 3rd??? Maybe a 4th if we’re being low on his KHL production. He become a cheap player for the Devils depth as they could use a smart forward who’s got a good stick, he isn’t the best skater but he’s a good player who if he can put it together in the NA, he would be a great piece for a contender (which the Devils should’ve been, but goalies lol).

        Seamus however is worth at minimum nearly a first at least.

        So does this seem like a plausible trade. Cutter didn’t return a first and he’s a league wide top prospect (like top 3 I think from Craig Button?). But he could Drysdale with a 2nd. Many people have different views on what Drysdale is or can be. So I don’t feel like this is far off…

        55points KHL still young player, nearly a PPG RFA
        2nd from a bad team
        Conditional 3rd that could upgrade or downgrade based on Casey’s production in SJS?
        6.
        SJS
        NJD
          That would be a 2nd, conditional 2nd - safe to be a 3rd, and a productive KHL guy who’s young and has seen the NHL ice before (13 games? Can’t remember).
          7.
          SJS
          1. Abruzzese, Nick
          2. Timmins, Conor
          3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
          TOR
          1. Ferraro, Mario
          2. Kunin, Luke (1 375 000 $ retained)
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          SJS
            Unlikely but only plausible trade IN SEASON for Ferraro imo.
            Unless EDM wants a massive deal with Ferraro and Kaapo.

            Otherwise Ferraro is a offseason move.
            TOR
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            SJS
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            24 févr. à 12 h 16
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            Not a very good prospect and a late 1st to take Campbell is no bueno
            24 févr. à 12 h 34
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            Quoting: glarson17
            Not a very good prospect and a late 1st to take Campbell is no bueno


            This and also, Grier seems to want to avoid taking on long term contracts. I think by 25/26 he wants to be competing for a playoff spot. I dont think we pursue any capdumps longer than two years. I also wouldnt give up assets like that for Casey who i think will request a trade or just wont sign with devils given the lack of opportunities available for his player type. Better to wait and see if we can convince him or pay like 3rd like we did for Thrun
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            Thanks for all the analysis.

            Like the Toronto trade.

            Edmonton: I'd prefer Broberg over Bourgault, especially if we are trading Ferraro away.

            NJ: Agree with Sharcuda22 that we shouldn't be giving up picks now, especially 2nd and 3rd rounders. How about Kaapo and Chmelevski for Seamus Casey?

            Ariz: Maybe we could get more for Duclair if we trade him to the NYR as part of a bigger deal that includes Goodrow cap dump and Kaapo Kakko to the Sharks.
            24 févr. à 13 h 10
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            Devils say no thank you.

            If we deal Casey, it would be to upgrade our current roster.

            Don't need picks or KHLers
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            24 févr. à 13 h 14
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            comprehensive thoughts, well done
            24 févr. à 15 h 14
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            Quoting: glarson17
            Not a very good prospect and a late 1st to take Campbell is no bueno


            I don’t see a world we’re the Oilers offer more, and the Campbell buyout is not brutal, nor do I think the Sharks will be competitive next year in terms of financial spending - so we can stomache the cap hit and his buyout becomes better the longer we keep him, plus we can’t bring up any of our current goalies. Xavier and a late first which (we got musty at 27) is great. In this draft we can really improve our defence and forward group. Even if we pick 32 - there are going to be some fantastic names on the board still. I personally would be interested Cole Hutson and EJ Emery both being sharks.


            Quoting: sharcuda22
            This and also, Grier seems to want to avoid taking on long term contracts. I think by 25/26 he wants to be competing for a playoff spot. I dont think we pursue any capdumps longer than two years. I also wouldnt give up assets like that for Casey who i think will request a trade or just wont sign with devils given the lack of opportunities available for his player type. Better to wait and see if we can convince him or pay like 3rd like we did for Thrun


            I don’t see Casey waiting that long (next year) - he’s likely wanting to make a pro jump soon with just how well he’s playing. And it wouldn’t be bad for his development either.

            And he likely will cost more than a 3rd even if it gets to the Thrun situation. Casey could be a top pair guy - don’t see the harm in improving the team by losing a 2nd and Sasha who won’t play here.

            Quoting: RecycleShark
            Thanks for all the analysis.

            Like the Toronto trade.

            Edmonton: I'd prefer Broberg over Bourgault, especially if we are trading Ferraro away.

            NJ: Agree with Sharcuda22 that we shouldn't be giving up picks now, especially 2nd and 3rd rounders. How about Kaapo and Chmelevski for Seamus Casey?

            Ariz: Maybe we could get more for Duclair if we trade him to the NYR as part of a bigger deal that includes Goodrow cap dump and Kaapo Kakko to the Sharks.


            Don’t think the Rangers are going to pay up to dump Goodrow with their GM wanting to keep their first, and idk if NYR is actually going to move on from Kakko, he’s playing well defensively - would be a good winger for a cup run.

            I do not want Broberg. And I personally see Thrun and Shakir as the future top 4 LD - no reason for Broberg IMO. He’s not better than either and I’d rather let Okho try and become a strong hitting 3rd pair guy. Broberg just wastes roster space in my eyes.

            Quoting: NHLfan10506
            Devils say no thank you.

            If we deal Casey, it would be to upgrade our current roster.

            Don't need picks or KHLers


            Technically Sasha is an upgrade as he’s going to be coming to NA

            Like the others said - could be Kaapo but not many fans think he’s that good - but he’s more likely to follow in Hills footsteps than not. I tried Kaapo to the devils before but got a lot of pushback.

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            comprehensive thoughts, well done


            Thanks!
            24 févr. à 15 h 21
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            Quoting: yikes
            Technically Sasha is an upgrade as he’s going to be coming to NA

            Like the others said - could be Kaapo but not many fans think he’s that good - but he’s more likely to follow in Hills footsteps than not. I tried Kaapo to the devils before but got a lot of pushback.


            Not really filling a need for us though. At least not for Casey level of prospect.
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            Quoting: NHLfan10506
            Not really filling a need for us though. At least not for Casey level of prospect.


            Kaapo would fill a need in my eyes. A major one - he also wouldn’t be due for a large raise due to well being a Shark lmao. Maybe a 3.5 x 2 or 3 unless he were to be traded to the devils and go a playoff push tear (like Hills run).

            A path with Vanecek - Casey for Kaapo Sasha and a 2nd ? Any conversation.
            24 févr. à 15 h 34
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            Quoting: yikes
            Kaapo would fill a need in my eyes. A major one - he also wouldn’t be due for a large raise due to well being a Shark lmao. Maybe a 3.5 x 2 or 3 unless he were to be traded to the devils and go a playoff push tear (like Hills run).

            A path with Vanecek - Casey for Kaapo Sasha and a 2nd ? Any conversation.


            Just doesn't feel like assets we need to put Casey on the table for.

            Sasha for a 3rd? Idk what the price is on a KHLer who's requested a trade

            Vitek dump for a 3rd

            Kaapo for a 3rd.

            Just no need to put casey in that
            24 févr. à 15 h 38
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            Quoting: yikes
            Kaapo would fill a need in my eyes. A major one - he also wouldn’t be due for a large raise due to well being a Shark lmao. Maybe a 3.5 x 2 or 3 unless he were to be traded to the devils and go a playoff push tear (like Hills run).

            A path with Vanecek - Casey for Kaapo Sasha and a 2nd ? Any conversation.


            I don’t think it would be a fit. If we add a goalie, it sounds like we are looking for a true #1. The market is flooded with #1b types and backups…and there are only 2-3 teams buying a goalie. So imagine we could add without having to move Casey, who probably is only made available for guys like Saros, Gibson, Ullmark, etc
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            Quoting: dgibb10
            Just doesn't feel like assets we need to put Casey on the table for.

            Sasha for a 3rd? Idk what the price is on a KHLer who's requested a trade

            Vitek dump for a 3rd

            Kaapo for a 3rd.

            Just no need to put casey in that


            Idk I may recall incorrectly but I thought it was more a mutual partition between SJS and Sasha I don’t think it was a trade request. Grier had nothing to do with Sasha chosing to go the KHL. Before his time. He’s done his time and earned the right to ask for a new situation. He’s nearly a PPG in the KHL and 24 - I don’t think a 3rd is ludicrous as he also didn’t play bad in his NHL games (SJ just fumbled him).


            That’s why I said Sasha Kaapo and a 2nd for VV Casey tho; you get a redo with a basically guaranteed high pick, and you get a goalie and a NHL improvement for a cap dump and a “technically” expendable prospect.

            Imo Devils shouldn’t touch Markstrom or Gibson and they shouldn’t go big fish fishing with how close they are to the cap.
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            Quoting: NHLfan10506
            I don’t think it would be a fit. If we add a goalie, it sounds like we are looking for a true #1. The market is flooded with #1b types and backups…and there are only 2-3 teams buying a goalie. So imagine we could add without having to move Casey, who probably is only made available for guys like Saros, Gibson, Ullmark, etc


            I agree on Saros but don’t think the devils should go after Gibson or Ullmark or Markstrom.

            My only point is Hill was a B / Backup… and we see how Vegas evaluated the situation and got “lucky” but they greater their own luck.

            I personally think Kaapo could be the 2nd “Adin Hill” the Sharks put on the Market if he’s sent to a contender. Never a guarantee - but I like the improvements he made to his game. They were visually seen day 1 this year and his stats back it up.
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            Quoting: yikes
            Idk I may recall incorrectly but I thought it was more a mutual partition between SJS and Sasha I don’t think it was a trade request. Grier had nothing to do with Sasha chosing to go the KHL. Before his time. He’s done his time and earned the right to ask for a new situation. He’s nearly a PPG in the KHL and 24 - I don’t think a 3rd is ludicrous as he also didn’t play bad in his NHL games (SJ just fumbled him).


            That’s why I said Sasha Kaapo and a 2nd for VV Casey tho; you get a redo with a basically guaranteed high pick, and you get a goalie and a NHL improvement for a cap dump and a “technically” expendable prospect.

            Imo Devils shouldn’t touch Markstrom or Gibson and they shouldn’t go big fish fishing with how close they are to the cap.


            I think NJD would just be keeping it more simple and offering 2nd+Vitek for KK if anything, however the market on the lower level goalies is apparently non existent so maybe even cheaper (although that means viteks value is also lower so probably cancels out)
            24 févr. à 15 h 52
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            Quoting: yikes
            I don’t see a world we’re the Oilers offer more, and the Campbell buyout is not brutal, nor do I think the Sharks will be competitive next year in terms of financial spending - so we can stomache the cap hit and his buyout becomes better the longer we keep him, plus we can’t bring up any of our current goalies. Xavier and a late first which (we got musty at 27) is great. In this draft we can really improve our defence and forward group. Even if we pick 32 - there are going to be some fantastic names on the board still. I personally would be interested Cole Hutson and EJ Emery both being sharks.




            I don’t see Casey waiting that long (next year) - he’s likely wanting to make a pro jump soon with just how well he’s playing. And it wouldn’t be bad for his development either.

            And he likely will cost more than a 3rd even if it gets to the Thrun situation. Casey could be a top pair guy - don’t see the harm in improving the team by losing a 2nd and Sasha who won’t play here.



            Don’t think the Rangers are going to pay up to dump Goodrow with their GM wanting to keep their first, and idk if NYR is actually going to move on from Kakko, he’s playing well defensively - would be a good winger for a cup run.

            I do not want Broberg. And I personally see Thrun and Shakir as the future top 4 LD - no reason for Broberg IMO. He’s not better than either and I’d rather let Okho try and become a strong hitting 3rd pair guy. Broberg just wastes roster space in my eyes.



            Technically Sasha is an upgrade as he’s going to be coming to NA

            Like the others said - could be Kaapo but not many fans think he’s that good - but he’s more likely to follow in Hills footsteps than not. I tried Kaapo to the devils before but got a lot of pushback.



            Thanks!


            I wouldn't mind Broberg, improves the chances of getting another long term top 4 or even top 6 D. Broberg, Muhk, and Thrun in whatever order would be solid for years with Ohk rotated in or someone playing on RD. Bourgault might not move the needle enough for MG to take on Campbell. Although I do think it would be smart to get a 1st + from taking on Campbell and Goodrow if possible. 3 more years is the perfect time for those contracts to be up.
             
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