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Quoting: JeffGorton
Comparing them to Habs prospects
Vlasic - Guhle
Rinzel - Barron
Moore - Mesar
Nazar - Newhook
Reichel - Roy
They are okay. Having Bedard shines them up a bit. And on the comment of mid first arent special, is blatantly wrong. Thats just the Hawks inability to pick the right guy. Lambert, Hutson, Yurov,Zelleweger, just to name a few, are players picked in the late 1st/2nd round that clear everyone in the Hawks system except Bedard of course.
Celebrini stays in college an extra year. So the Habs will still be dogwater. That 2025 1st is top 15 at minimum. That CGY 1st can be anywhere from 2nd overall to 32nd overall. Most likely 16-20 range.
Say the Habs pick is 7th, wouldnt you rather these players below or just 1 2nd line center, not even considering the Hawks own picks. Bedard has 8 years until he demands an obscene amount of money. Thats the window to win. This trade would quicken the time it takes for the Hawks to truly be competitive, instead of turning into the Oilers or the Leafs
Parekh/Catton
Mews/ Howe
Spence/Hensler
Ihs Wozniak/D'Aigle
The comments you just made tell me you're out of touch with the Hawks young players and prospects. As an example, Moore was widely considered by the analysts as the best steal in the 2023 first round at #19. In 2022, the analysts also widely commented that Nazar was a steal at #13. You would literally be the first person I've heard say the Hawks didn't pick the right guy at the time; that's just 1000% inaccurate according to the professionals. Now you sit here with hindsight and cherry pick a few players from those draft years using 31 teams picks that "so far" look better....do you realize how stupid that is? Do you not understand you can literally do that with every single team's draft picks historically in the NHL with the benefit of hindsight outside of the bonafide elite picks (Bedard, McDavid, Matthews, Kane, etc.)...I'm sorry but this is just a poor analysis.
And you're comparing Guhle, a 16th overall pick with 96 games under his belt, to Vlasic the 43rd pick with 72 games under his belt??? WOW. Guess who's the better point scorer and who's the better defender? Guhle is better offensively but Vlasic is better defensively so makes very little sense to compare the two, but since you're going here, Hawks make the Habs look like crap comparably since they got the better defender at #43 and way way better value comparing #43 to #16; that should be zero debate.
Newhook vs Nazar? Are you serious here? Newhook was drafted in 2019, Nazar in 2022 3 years later. First of all, we have no idea what Nazar will turn into in the pros. Second, comparing two different draft years with vary different degrees of talent is incredibly stupid. Furthermore, Nazar had massive hip surgery last year so this is first real NCAA season post draft. Newhook had 42 points in 34 games in the NCAA post draft, Nazar 35 points in 30 games. So far 1.23ppg vs. 1.17ppg....razor thin and you're already crowing Newhook the better pick with 3 years difference in draft years and without Nazar having a chance to play in the pros yet? WOW
I'm not even going to dive any further into your comparisons because they are so off basis and meaningless.
Bottom line, no the Hawks aren't going let Celebrini go for the #7 pick, a late 2024 1st (the 2024 draft is not that deep), and two middle 1sts (projected) next year without a guaranteed elite/all-star type of prospect. If it was the #7 plus 2 surefire lottery picks, the Hawks would agree, but it's not.
You build around players like Celebrini hands down, and a 2C behind a generational talent in Bedard is more important than a few middle 6 wingers, bottom 6 players or bottom 4 defenders or mix of those which is what team typically find in mid to late 1st round picks IF all the players become NHL players at all; a very poor assumption by you given historic statistics which demonstrate mid to late 1st round picks have a 35% chance of becoming a career NHL player.