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Créé par: tstrauss16

Équipe: 2023-24 Blues de St-Louis

Date de création initiale: 17 févr. 2024

Publié: 17 févr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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If we want to cash in on Buchnevich at this TDL, this is what I would be looking for in return. I think a solid RD prospect, a 1st round pick, and a current roster player to balance out cap.

I made 2 scenarios to acquire Buchnevich, one being Kotkaniemi and the other being Teravainen. In both cases, the Blues are acquiring the RD and 1st round pick. I like the Kotkaniemi option more for the sake of acquiring a middle 6 center for the future. I think Thomas, Dvorksy, Kotkaniemi would be a pretty solid center core for years to come. The Blues can then move Schenn over to the wing position.

Snuggerud will join the team at the end of the regular season. I don’t think Minnesota is making it out of the regional if they match up against BC or BU (I think Minnesota is finishing 7-10). Snuggerud will make his Blues debut on 4/10 at home against Chicago. He’d slot into the 2nd line RW spot with Captain Schenn. Move everyone down one spot at RW and scratch Blais.

Lines with Teravainen
Neighbours - Thomas - Kyrou
Teravainen - Schenn - Kapanen*
Saad - Hayes - Sundqvist*
Walker - Alexandrov* - Toropchenko
Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Kessel
Perunovich - Faulk
Binnington - Hofer
Scratched: Scandella, Blais, Tucker

* Denotes when Snuggerud enters the line up as 2RW
- Kapanen becomes 3RW
- Sundqvist becomes 4C
- Alexandrov is sent to the AHL

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

LISTE DE RÉSERVE		ANS	CAP HIT
Snuggerud, Jimmy		3	950 000 $

Transactions

STL

Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Kotkaniemi is currently playing on the 4th line. Buchnevich immediately adds a Top 6 offensive threat to Carolina. I get Morrow may be a high valued prospect from Carolina’s perspective but Carolina is acquiring a high-end winger for 2 cup runs. Draft pick should be anywhere ranging from 20-32.

CAR

Détails additionnels:

Alexandrov is sent to fulfill the 4th line center position as a cheap option. They can also acquire a different 4C from another team but figured I’d throw him in from a positional need perspective.

STL

Teräväinen, Teuvo

Détails additionnels:

Morrow
1st Round Pick

CAR

Buchnevich

Enfoui

Jakub Vrána: 1 475 000 $ (2 625 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2024
2025
2026

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	81 931 012 $	20 000 $	0 $	1 568 988 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Neighbours, Jake 835 833 $835 833 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Thomas, Robert 8 125 000 $8 125 000 $ C, AD UFA - 8	Kyrou, Jordan 8 125 000 $8 125 000 $ AD UFA - 8
Schenn, Brayden 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ C, AG NTC UFA - 5	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 4 820 000 $4 820 000 $ C UFA - 7	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 1
Saad, Brandon 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD NTC UFA - 3	Hayes, Kevin 3 571 429 $3 571 429 $ C M-NTC UFA - 3	Toropchenko, Alexey 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2
Walker, Nathan 775 000 $775 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Sundqvist, Oskar 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Blais, Samuel 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Leddy, Nick 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 3	Parayko, Colton 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 7	Binnington, Jordan 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ G NTC UFA - 4
Krug, Torey 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 4	Kessel, Matthew 883 750 $883 750 $ DD RFA - 1	Hofer, Joel 775 000 $775 000 $ G RFA - 2
Perunovich, Scott 775 000 $775 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Faulk, Justin 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ DD NTC UFA - 4

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Scandella, Marco 3 275 000 $3 275 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Snuggerud, Jimmy 950 000 $950 000 $ AD, C RFA	Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Tucker, Tyler 800 000 $800 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2

17 févr. à 13 h 28

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If Buchnevich was going to be young enough to re-sign when this deal was up, they may consider it. Then there goes 2 of their best pieces to get a replacement center as well though.

All things being what they are, the canes decline the first one. We are likely looking to add to the roster, so i can see them moving turbo

17 févr. à 13 h 29

tstrauss16

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Quoting: ecupirate07

He’d still be 30. But gauging what Lindholm got for Calgary, this is what I’d expect the Blues to get back for Buchnevich with same age and extra year on his contract.

17 févr. à 13 h 36

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He’d still be 30. But gauging what Lindholm got for Calgary, this is what I’d expect the Blues to get back for Buchnevich with same age and extra year on his contract.

Im not saying the blues are wrong for asking it. The price is just outside of the canes MO. Buchnevich will command big money on his next deal. Canes will be unwilling to pay it because the whole deal will be in his 30s and into 35+ years of age. I don’t see them moving their 2nd best prospect who is likely on the roster next season for a guy who they will only have for 1.25 seasons.

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17 févr. à 13 h 40

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Quoting: ecupirate07

That is 100% fair. I’m sure the fit is there but the contract maybe be tough. I’d expect a 5 year $8M per on his next deal.

17 févr. à 13 h 47

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Quoting: tstrauss16

That is 100% fair. I’m sure the fit is there but the contract maybe be tough. I’d expect a 5 year $8M per on his next deal.

I would think he is going to ask 9 to only be 5 years and 8 on a 6 year deal

17 févr. à 13 h 48

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Quoting: tstrauss16

He’d still be 30. But gauging what Lindholm got for Calgary, this is what I’d expect the Blues to get back for Buchnevich with same age and extra year on his contract.

I think you’re shooting low here or you’re valuing the pieces Calgary got back higher than I would.

Buch at 1.5 for two playoff runs is very valuable to a lot of teams. I would expect what Calgary got at next deadline for Buchnevich which may be best for all sides with how we are currently seated.

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17 févr. à 13 h 51

tstrauss16

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Quoting: ecupirate07

I would think he is going to ask 9 to only be 5 years and 8 on a 6 year deal

I don’t think he’d command 9M. I can see 8M for sure but 9M seems a little high to me.

17 févr. à 13 h 53

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Quoting: AC14

That’s valid. I think we see what happens in the next 10 games before the deadline. Maybe even an offseason decision.

17 févr. à 13 h 56

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I don’t think he’d command 9M. I can see 8M for sure but 9M seems a little high to me.

You could be right. If Konecny is going to get a number in the high 8s to low 9s, Buchnevich will certainly too without max term

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Quoting: ecupirate07

You could be right. If Konecny is going to get a number in the high 8s to low 9s, Buchnevich will certainly too without max term

Maybe I undervalue players’ contract values. I can’t envision Konecny making over $8M. I can see a $7.875M for 7-8 years.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

You could be right. If Konecny is going to get a number in the high 8s to low 9s, Buchnevich will certainly too without max term

I think you're looking at like 8.5 x 5 on an extension. And realistically, he's worth it and if you can keep it only to 35 I don't see how he wouldn't be up to the last year.

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Quoting: AC14

I think you're looking at like 8.5 x 5 on an extension. And realistically, he's worth it and if you can keep it only to 35 I don't see how he wouldn't be up to the last year.

The first 3 years yea he will be. The last 2 years he’ll be on the decline. That is the name of the game but, the Canes aren’t about that.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

The first 3 years yea he will be. The last 2 years he’ll be on the decline. That is the name of the game but, the Canes aren’t about that.

They're going to have to be at some point this offseason.

17 févr. à 14 h 29

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Quoting: AC14

They're going to have to be at some point this offseason.

I doubt it. They haven’t shown any interest in paying to keep a guy for prime dollars into mid to late 30s. It doesn’t mean a couple of players will re-sign but it wont be premium production values during declining years.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Isn’t Aho signed until 35?

17 févr. à 14 h 41

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Apples and Oranges. Aho will be a Hurricane though his entire prime years of his career.

The same reason the Blues likely move Buch are the same reasons the Canes wouldn’t trade premium assets for him. Love the player, but not a great trade incentives.

Quoting: tstrauss16

Isn’t Aho signed until 35?

17 févr. à 14 h 52

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Yeah, no. You're not going to get a roster player for Buch as well as Morrow and a 1st. It's going to be a futures package OR roster pieces, not both.

17 févr. à 14 h 58

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Quoting: tstrauss16

Isn’t Aho signed until 35?

How many years of prime production are they getting on this deal? That factors heavily into this. 6 years vs 3 and add in position premium. Canes have wingers but not many top 6 center candidates

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Yeah, no. You're not going to get a roster player for Buch as well as Morrow and a 1st. It's going to be a futures package OR roster pieces, not both.

Roster player to make cap work

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Quoting: ecupirate07

How many years of prime production are they getting on this deal? That factors heavily into this. 6 years vs 3 and add in position premium. Canes have wingers but not many top 6 center candidates

No that’s fair. I’m just saying they could offer him a 5 year extension and still get value out of him. Even if it’s just production for 3 years and 2 years then of “performance not meeting contract standards.” In this case, Aho’s last 2 years are gonna be the same of not meeting contract performance. Regardless of the length, the final two years in both cases are trending down. They won’t have a cup window forever, and every season they had a good shot they’ve been swept in the conference finals. I think Buchnevich adds great value to the Canes and would be a big addition for them to push for the cup the next 5 years.

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First of all, if you want to deal Buch, I see no reason to do so at this time - he can be traded prior to the draft for nearly as much. I'm also not sure why it has to be a young RD in particular. I definitely do not want anything to do KK's contract, as much as the thought of moving Schenn over delights. Finally, and most importantly of all, I frankly do not see a prime asset here we must have. The 1st is late and Morrow is worrisome in the D zone.

Honestly, I'd ask for Nikishin straight up and not budge. If they won;t do it - and I know they shouldn't and presumably wouldn't - fine.

17 févr. à 16 h 13

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Quoting: tstrauss16

Roster player to make cap work

Don't need it, Canes have 6 million in deadline cap space

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Yeah, no. You're not going to get a roster player for Buch as well as Morrow and a 1st. It's going to be a futures package OR roster pieces, not both.

Kotkaniemi is a negative value player with that contract. Please keep him

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17 févr. à 16 h 19

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Quoting: Mhpatb03

Kotkaniemi is a negative value player with that contract. Please keep him

Happily, he's such a good value asset with that deal. 23, a dominant defensive force, and one of the best chance generators in the NHL. I'll happily keep him

17 févr. à 16 h 23

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Happily, he's such a good value asset with that deal. 23, a dominant defensive force, and one of the best chance generators in the NHL. I'll happily keep him

If he’s generating so many chances, why is he on the 4th line and not even on the power play? 9 assists isn’t indicative of “one of the best chance generators in the NHL”

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