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Big trades coming

Créé par: The420SusMan69
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 14 févr. 2024
Publié: 14 févr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Would appreciate feedback (especially on DET and NJD trades)
pls no bully me :(
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Bahl, Kevin
  2. Gritsyuk, Arseni [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (NJD)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Hanifin, Noah (2 475 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
8x7.5 in place
2.
CGY
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (VAN)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (VAN)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Tanev, Christopher (2 250 000 $ retained)
3.
CGY
  1. Kasper, Marco
  2. Määttä, Olli
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DET)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
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Logo de NJD
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2025
Logo de FLA
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Logo de VAN
Logo de CGY
Logo de NJD
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2183 500 000 $74 358 332 $0 $1 077 500 $9 141 668 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Flames de Calgary
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
863 333 $863 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
775 000 $775 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
855 833 $855 833 $
AD, C
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
813 333 $813 333 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Devils du New Jersey
1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
775 000 $775 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 1

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14 févr. à 20 h 2
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Take out Gritysuk
14 févr. à 20 h 6
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Quoting: dgibb10
Take out Gritysuk


I tried to make it similar to the Hampus Lindholm trade in value. You wouldn't win the bidding war without Gritysuk or equal value (Stillman+3rd; Clarke+3rd; etc...)

Also depends on where that 1st would end up being.
14 févr. à 20 h 9
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Devils accept. Hanifin at $3.75m x 8 would be worth it.
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14 févr. à 20 h 10
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(Not sure CGY wants to pay $3.75m for 8 years though)
14 févr. à 20 h 14
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Quoting: AdamL188
I tried to make it similar to the Hampus Lindholm trade in value. You wouldn't win the bidding war without Gritysuk or equal value (Stillman+3rd; Clarke+3rd; etc...)

Also depends on where that 1st would end up being.


This is a fair bit more than Hampus Lindholm got.

You want a 1st rounder that's currently 15th overall

You aren't taking a cap dump

(also you can't trade him with an extension in place unless you want to retain on the entire extesnion)

You want 3rd+Bahl+Gritysuk instead of 2nd+2nd+Vaak which is more

Our 1st+Bahl+3rd is equivalent to what Anaheim got
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14 févr. à 20 h 20
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Take out Kasper and Detroit accepts.
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14 févr. à 20 h 21
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Gritsyuk isn't getting moved. Bahl, Clarke, 2024 1st is enough
14 févr. à 20 h 22
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Would you do something like Seamus Casey, Graeme Clarke, and a 3rd
14 févr. à 20 h 25
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No f’n way Det accepts that!
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14 févr. à 20 h 33
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Quoting: AdamL188
I tried to make it similar to the Hampus Lindholm trade in value. You wouldn't win the bidding war without Gritysuk or equal value (Stillman+3rd; Clarke+3rd; etc...)

Also depends on where that 1st would end up being.


People are trying to over complicate this by not valuing prospects appropriately. A 1st and a 2nd for Hanifan retained.
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14 févr. à 21 h 13
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A rebuilding Detroit has no interest in a 34 year old Jacob Markstrom, And we're not giving up Marco Kasper for an aging Goalie. And besides i doubt he'd even waive his NMC for a young rebuilding team.
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14 févr. à 21 h 40
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Quoting: Celtics21
People are trying to over complicate this by not valuing prospects appropriately. A 1st and a 2nd for Hanifan retained.


nah he getting way more. Hampus lindholm got a 1st, 2 2nd's and some mid prospects
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14 févr. à 21 h 41
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Quoting: Devsfan25
Would you do something like Seamus Casey, Graeme Clarke, and a 3rd


prolly yeah.
14 févr. à 21 h 42
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Quoting: MoSeider53
A rebuilding Detroit has no interest in a 34 year old Jacob Markstrom, And we're not giving up Marco Kasper for an aging Goalie. And besides i doubt he'd even waive his NMC for a young rebuilding team.


Quoting: Stevierebz
No f’n way Det accepts that!


Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Take out Kasper and Detroit accepts.


I heard a podcast mention it and saw someone else make a mock. Tried it out but ig ppl arent fans of the idea.
14 févr. à 21 h 43
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Devils accept. Hanifin at $3.75m x 8 would be worth it.


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(Not sure CGY wants to pay $3.75m for 8 years though)


I meant only his current contract with 1 yr left
14 févr. à 22 h 0
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I meant only his current contract with 1 yr left


If they extend him first, the retention applies to all remaining salary. If he is traded at deadline he can still get 8-years for that club.
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No way Vancouver is giving away that many draft picks to Calgary for Chris Tanev.
No thanks.
15 févr. à 0 h 37
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nah he getting way more. Hampus lindholm got a 1st, 2 2nd's and some mid prospects


If you are taking Vanecek, I could see you getting an extra second. That wouldnt even be the equivalent of John Moore’s terrible contract, which basically funded Bergeron and the incremental money for Krejci. Trying to figure out the equivalent of Urho. It isn’t much.

You are getting a first and a second with retention. Maybe a fringe prospect that is basically a throwaway. That’s what Lindholm would have gotten without that bad contract added.

I’m curious if the rumors of mutual interest in his hometown with sufficient cap room and need limits the price a team is willing to give
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If you are taking Vanecek, I could see you getting an extra second. That wouldnt even be the equivalent of John Moore’s terrible contract, which basically funded Bergeron and the incremental money for Krejci. Trying to figure out the equivalent of Urho. It isn’t much.

You are getting a first and a second with retention. Maybe a fringe prospect that is basically a throwaway. That’s what Lindholm would have gotten without that bad contract added.

I’m curious if the rumors of mutual interest in his hometown with sufficient cap room and need limits the price a team is willing to give


Devils will keep Vanacek if he costs a 2nd to dump. His play has been fine since December.
15 févr. à 1 h 13
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Devils will keep Vanacek if he costs a 2nd to dump. His play has been fine since December.


I’m just trying to show a comparably bad contract for the Calgary fans that conveniently disregard the cap dump of John Moore. You know I think he sucks and he is making $3.4m over the next two years
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I’m just trying to show a comparably bad contract for the Calgary fans that conveniently disregard the cap dump of John Moore. You know I think he sucks and he is making $3.4m over the next two years


Yeah but your general base of comparison is Jeremy Swayman and Linus Ullmark and the bruins haven’t had a bad goalie in like 2 decades so I think you have somewhat lofty expectations understandably
15 févr. à 4 h 38
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I'd say drop the 3rd to a later pick from the Vancouver and you have fair value
15 févr. à 9 h 12
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Quoting: AdamL188
I heard a podcast mention it and saw someone else make a mock. Tried it out but ig ppl arent fans of the idea.


Kasper was 8OA in '22, and has scored like 20 points in his last 30 games after a slow start because he was injured for most of the summer.

No team would trade him nor goalie would return him unless it's an insane deal.
 
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