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Créé par: Prime_Jimbo
Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 6 févr. 2024
Publié: 6 févr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Sanderson's entire raise is covered off by buyouts and retained salary back on the books next season.

Cap bump takes care of Pinto, some money for another goalie and depth D.
Transactions
1.
OTT
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Tarasenko, Vladimir (2 500 000 $ retained)
2.
OTT
  1. Jensen, Nick
  2. Kuznetsov, Evgeny (3 900 000 $ retained)
3.
OTT
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (NYR)
NYR
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
4.
MIN
  1. Boucher, Tyler
  2. Brännström, Erik
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
5.
OTT
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
TBL
  1. Kubalik, Dominik (1 000 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2024
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2025
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $83 328 214 $0 $1 932 500 $171 786 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
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8 350 000 $8 350 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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4 975 000 $4 975 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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8 205 714 $8 205 714 $
AG
UFA - 5
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7 950 000 $7 950 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
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775 000 $775 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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894 167 $894 167 $
AG
RFA - 2
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825 000 $825 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
C
RFA - 3
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835 000 $835 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance1 850 000 $$2M)
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Capitals de Washington
4 050 000 $4 050 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
925 000 $925 000 $
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
916 667 $916 667 $
DG
RFA - 2
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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805 000 $805 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
762 500 $762 500 $
AG
RFA - 1

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6 févr. à 11 h 44
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if Kuz wasn't in player assistance NYR accept
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I'm not sure how Kuzntezov is even a viable trading chip right now since he's in the player's assistance program. Also, off the top of my head, I don't think the Rangers can afford that cap hit.
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if Kuz wasn't in player assistance NYR accept


With what cap space?
6 févr. à 11 h 46
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Caps accept!
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
With what cap space?


Chytil is on LTIR and washington already retained half. NYR have ~5m in cap space by deadline.


edit:
NYR can actually afford both Kuz & Tarasenko at 50% each if they send down or trade Goodrow, Pitlick and Leschyshyn rn.
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6 févr. à 11 h 51
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Kuznetsov won't even be playing next year. He's basically done.

That trade is a royal joke for Kaprizov not even close to getting him out of Minnesota.
6 févr. à 11 h 54
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You want to lose Chat-bot for a 2nd round pick and Nick Jensen? Wtf?
6 févr. à 12 h 9
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Not touching that my nose is white like snow washed up bum in Kuznetsov. Hang off that loser somewhere else.
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Chytil is on LTIR and washington already retained half. NYR have ~5m in cap space by deadline.


edit:
NYR can actually afford both Kuz & Tarasenko at 50% each if they send down or trade Goodrow, Pitlick and Leschyshyn rn.


Except this trade proposal is without the retention. So how do you make it work then? Hence the question.
6 févr. à 12 h 12
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You want to lose Chat-bot for a 2nd round pick and Nick Jensen? Wtf?


Glut of LHD in the league. Limited trade partners. Big contract. I don't mind if the value is off but I wouldn't expect a significant return. That said, those are some needs for the Sens.
6 févr. à 13 h 47
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Quoting: AG_sweden
Except this trade proposal is without the retention. So how do you make it work then? Hence the question.


The trade between Ottawa and Washington has 3.9m retained. So NYR would be obtaining Kuzy at 3.9m, not 7.8m.
6 févr. à 13 h 50
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You need more quality, less quantity going to Minnesota
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The trade between Ottawa and Washington has 3.9m retained. So NYR would be obtaining Kuzy at 3.9m, not 7.8m.


Honestly. You feel differently so I respect that. But for me personally, that is still a pass.
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Honestly. You feel differently so I respect that. But for me personally, that is still a pass.


It's not ideal by any means no. I just believe that it beats paying a 1st+ for Henrique, Jenner, or any other center NYR have been tied to. Especially since kuzy has the extra year it's extra insurance for us at 3c (just in case Chytil's career is over due to concussions).
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It's not ideal by any means no. I just believe that it beats paying a 1st+ for Henrique, Jenner, or any other center NYR have been tied to. Especially since kuzy has the extra year it's extra insurance for us at 3c (just in case Chytil's career is over due to concussions).


Oh I'm on board with that line of think entirely 👍
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Quoting: Caerii
You need more quality, less quantity going to Minnesota


Sorry but I'm lost on this take.

Three first round picks, a very recent lottery pick and what will be a very early 2nd. That feels like an abundance of quality.

Maybe the desire would be a good roster player vs so many futures?

If no interest in Brannstrom, that's fine but still an abundance of quality imho.
6 févr. à 14 h 37
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Sorry but I'm lost on this one.

Ummm.... Three first round picks, a very recent lottery pick and what will be a very early 2nd. How could it be anything other than an abundance of quality? Maybe the desire would be a good roster player vs so many futures?

If no interest in Brannstrom, that's fine but still an abundance of quality imho.


Tyler Boucher and 2 late 1sts is not an abundance of quality.

The 2024 OTT 1st is a great start, take the rest out and add another good young top 4 D option or top 6 F.

It should look something like OTT 1st+BOS 1st+Good young Top 6F/Top 4D
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Tyler Boucher and 2 late 1sts is not an abundance of quality.

The 2024 OTT 1st is a great start, take the rest out and add another good young top 4 D option or top 6 F.


Man, I gotta say that's tough. Maybe swap a late for a future first from Ottawa vs Edmonton or Boston.

But, fair enough on the want for good player in return instead of so many futures. Figured a boat load of futures might be ideal for Minnesota coming off the buyouts.
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Man, I gotta say that's tough. Maybe swap a late for a future first from Ottawa vs Edmonton or Boston.

But, fair enough on the need for good player in return instead of so many futures. Figured a boat load of futures might be ideal for Minnesota coming off the buyouts.


Minnesota's pretty much through the buyouts at this point. The time for futures was a couple years ago. Now the only way they trade Kaprizov is if he decides he won't re-sign. Minnesota needs young, NHL ready players to grow with the rest of the core- Boldy, Rossi, Faber, Yurov, Wallstedt, etc.
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6 févr. à 15 h 20
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Chytil is on LTIR and washington already retained half. NYR have ~5m in cap space by deadline.


edit:
NYR can actually afford both Kuz & Tarasenko at 50% each if they send down or trade Goodrow, Pitlick and Leschyshyn rn.


These things so much easier said than done and I'm not sure why you're suggesting Tarasenko to the Rangers. Why on earth would they want to trade more futures for a guy who was mediocre for them last season when they could have signed him?
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These things so much easier said than done and I'm not sure why you're suggesting Tarasenko to the Rangers. Why on earth would they want to trade more futures for a guy who was mediocre for them last season when they could have signed him?


Not sure they could afford him hence Wheeler. Though I'm sure they wish it were Tank lol
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Quoting: Caerii
Minnesota's pretty much through the buyouts at this point. The time for futures was a couple years ago. Now the only way they trade Kaprizov is if he decides he won't re-sign. Minnesota needs young, NHL ready players to grow with the rest of the core- Boldy, Rossi, Faber, Yurov, Wallstedt, etc.


I agree. I think this type of return makes sense if BG has been told Kaprizov wants to move on from Minnesota. If this type of trade landed us the number 1 pick and we were picking say, 3rd overall for our own pick, I could see that making sense. We get Celebrini and Eiserman with an exciting future. But the trade right now doesn't make sense. I don't think you were far off in terms of value. It's a super star that is happy at the moment in a state where we haven't had super stars. Fans will get touchy on this type of move. But I think it's pretty fair and realistic. Also, his NTC starts this summer.
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These things so much easier said than done and I'm not sure why you're suggesting Tarasenko to the Rangers. Why on earth would they want to trade more futures for a guy who was mediocre for them last season when they could have signed him?


He had 21 points in 31 games in GG's line jumble, and was one of the few producing players in the playoffs. They wanted to resign him but could not afford him.
 
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