I can't see Treliving trading Knies. 😬

They'll need his cheap entry level salary to offset Willy's new deal.

Plus he's a good young player who'll only get better.

Troll post you could include your first round pick unprotected and leafs would still decline lmao

you are trading for a LTIR player with 1 year on his contract
just wait till FA cause TO is not resigning him

I hate Toronto with a passion but there is zero chance that they do this. I could see Knies moving for a T4RD with term, but Toronto is a bit cash strapped without one of the big guys moving.

You don't get a teams best young player for two mediocre pieces. It just doesn't happen.

mediocre pieces, lol. How to know you only watch leafs game. doesnt make sense for the leafs but come on, such a homer.

Add in Reinbacher and Savard at 50% with another 2nd

They both kind of are... Unless Matheson is hiding some ability to play the right side, he becomes the 2LD if McCabe moves to right (bad idea) or, he becomes the 3LD

And Monahan becomes a bottom 6 player

You think Monahan and Matheson are anything more than middle-bottom of the lineup players on teams with real aspirations?

Both of them are the beneficiaries of increased roles on a bad team.

so he is mediocre unless he plays right side? i think you are confusing toronto'd needs with the players ability. im not saying this a a trade that makes sense for the leafs, im just saying they are not mediocre players.

I'm saying, to the Leafs, Matheson would be mediocre to them, considering them already having McCabe and Rielly...

matheson would be your second best D and its not even close.

monahan could fill any spots on the leafs middle 6.

and i've watched many leaf game, third favorite team.

not defending the trade, just the players.

matheson would be the second best dman on the leafs and its not even close. it would make mccabe mediocre if thats how you want to phrase it.

Matheson isn't better than McCabe though... And I'll start the argument with Lilly as well... It's not even close... 18/35 points are on the PP, he doesn't get that luxury in Toronto...

lilly is so good, he get benched in the playoffs every year.

matheson got almost as much points as reilly does without having matthews, tavares, marner and nylander.

mccabe is a bottom 4, always has been. listen its ok if you havent watched him play and you just look at stats. i watch both the a lot, matheson is only second to reilly and once again, its not even a little bit close.

"listen its ok if you havent watched him play and you just look at stats," proceeds to provide a stat to support your case...

McCabe provides more value to the Leafs then matheosn would, same with Lilly... That makes Matheson the number 4 defensemen, watch both McCabe and Lilly play, they make countless plays that work and you'll be sitting there like that's a great play. I've watched Matheson, his biggest support is that he plays a lot. But the thing is, it's usually abasing the other team's weaker players... And preferable starts and ends

These takes are so bad. Throw some stats instead of your ridiculous platitudes, Leafs fans.

Here I'll start..

Matheson has 66 points in 94 career MTL games, 246 SOG, 27PPP and only a -7 on a horrific goal differential team playing 25+ mins on average in every situation vs teams top lines and top PK with David Savard.

Those are top10 offensive stats as a defenceman in the last 1.5 years.

Does any one have brain cells that can compute the difference between opinion and a real stat?

once again, you are confusing toronto's needs with talent. No reilly, matheson would play top pair on toronto.

He wouldn't though... McCabe would...

And please look at my comments:





I've even bolded it to you so you know here to look

Here's the thing: Matheson is a very solid offensive Dman and PP QB yet not good enough to supplant that role on any team that actually has aspirations. He doesn't fill any other role to an effective degree, so what is he on a competitive team? Like a #5 Dman and injury insurance.

Not even gonna bother with Monahan - he's the walking definition of mid. And there's nothing wrong with that, it's just what he is.

yes, you've highlighed my entire arguments against you. im not sure what you dont understand. what do you think im saying?

Matheson has more PP points than 5v5 points...







Look at the EV defence...

Matheson has 38 PIMs to McCabe and Lilly's 31 combined...

McCabe and Lilly each gets less offensive zone time starts then McCabe according to money puck...

Then watch those 3 play

so you looked at every team in the playoffs and concluded that on every one of them he would be 5th dman? get out of here. You use a lot of words to not say much.

I think you're trying to tell me that the Leafs would value Matheson more than Lilly and McCabe... To which, that's just not true...

You clearly lack reading comprehension skills.