I’d rather keep Barron and I would prefer Glass to that package for Monahan

Glass is a part of the Nashville plan. The goal is to help their current team make and surprise in the playoffs.

It's a present for futures deal.

I agree that Glass might not be available, this is why I would prefer a prospect from another team, like Bourgeault, Lysell, Lambert, Nadeau, Minten, etc.

The comparison for those trade would be Barbashev

Alright. Not the goal of this post, but I hear you!

no thank you

i cant beleive i have to write this over and over

a top six centerman (even middle six big boi) is worth so much more than that.
especially if he he is good at the faceoff dot (he is amazing)
he is producing
he is healthy
hes got a tiny cap hit


hes not going to be a deal.. this isnt clearance. this is primo extra costs, bidding war time

dmen and centerman are valuable. this is the nhl.

You are ignoring the risk. You overvalue what he would bring to a contender because of what he brings to Montreal. He's not on PP1 on a contender.

it dosnt matter what I value

maybe the blue, the yotes, or maybe even the wild, the stars. they can use a healthy top 6 c.

wide open div.
there will be at least a half dozen teams that want this player to play for them AND NOT PLAY FOR THEIR OPPONENT

ignoring risk? i dont see anything like that.
monahan isnt going for peanutes. bank on it.

2 x 2nds isn't peanuts...

Also, Every MTL beat reporter says a 2nd and a 3rd is the expectation.

no. they dont. i actually do read this 'beat' i also live here. and read both the languages

the word on the street is... hasb will get 1st MIN for monahan.

Its an alright package if the 4th becomes another 2nd but I agree, the Habs have enough lottery tickets (unless they will try to flip said picks for an offseason move like a Lundell in Florida)

A decent prospect and a 2nd for Monahan should be the prize. I don't consider a late 1st that much of an upgrade on a 2nd in this draft. The Rangers, if they can get their cap sorted out, they should be able to offer a 2nd and a B prospect like Jaroslav Chmelar, who's size would be desirable in the bottom 6.

I definitely trade Barron for Wood, though.

You can remove lambert or any jets prospect from that ask lmao

Only because Chevy has a trend of trading picks instead of prospects which I think is the proper path in a contention window.

From Dailyfaceoff

"Cheveldayoff doesn’t typically like to kick prospects into his trades. If you look at his recent deadline acquisitions, from Nino Niederreiter in 2023 to Dylan DeMelo in 2020, he prefers to go the pick route. If the Habs want a prospect, does that scare Chevy away from the table?"

I am certainly of the mind that he is correct and the habs should counter any trade for Monahan with a prospect ask unless they are trying to flip said picks in the offseason. They have enough B prospects atm so much so that they are running out of room and have to play Xhekaj-Mailloux in the minors whom both deserve to be on the big club atm with a PPG pace down there together as a top pairing in Laval

Obviously you didn't get what I meant. Jets wouldn't give those prospects as they should aim higher than Monahan who is not someone the jets exactly need. Maybe he gets a 1st but is he really that much better than namestnikov where I want to pay that much? No definitely not

I got what you meant lol Not everything is about the Jets in a habs ACGM that doesnt even mention them until Lambert's name was brought up. I am not going to engage in bad faith arguments with you.

Habs aren't taking to late 2nds for Monahan, it will either be a top prospect + late pick (5th-7th rounder) or a 1st + 3rd. You say he wouldn't be on a contenders PP1 but he actually might be, smart GM's and coaches spread the talent, this includes on the PP. Weak head coaches or teams that don't have a lot of high end talent are the ones that tend to overload their PP. Think of it this way, if you are the Leafs and have the option of overloading PP1 with Tavares, Mathews, Nylander, Marner and Reilly then PP2 comes out with Domi, Bertuzzi, Monahan, Knies and Brodie (not sure of their actual PP lineup this is only an example) once PP1 is shutdown teams don't have to contend much with PP2. However if you line up Matthews, Nylander, Monahan, Domi, Reilly and Tavares, Marner, Knies, Bertuzzi, Brodie that is basically 2 PP1's you would have to contend with and even if you swap Monahan for Knies or Bertuzzi you still have basically 2 number 1 units

Why spread out the pp units when one is likely out there for 1:30 and 2nd pp maybe 0:30? Doesn't make sense to move elite talent off a top pp. If they were 1st liners maybe but in the nhl pps create momentum for your team and having the deadliest pp often creates havoc and thus goals. That's like saying Edmonton should move RNH to pp 2 so they can spread it out and have like connor brown pp 1 for more options, just doesn't make senses. Also teams need to be willing to give up a 1st and from what I can tell a 1st for these contending teams like too much or wouldn't he be traded by now for Monahan to gain chemistry with the team now

The PP argument is so weak. Simply counting 5on5 production when the same production is produced despite his linemates. Its almost ironic.

It's clear most dont watch any Habs games when Monahan has to drag offensive black holes like Evans and Gallagher around the ice. Its an easy excuse to nitpick one side of the argument to fit your narrative. Just incredibly lazy. Just admit you don't watch the games and you're guessing or stay out of the conversation. It aint difficult.

Yeah because Monahan wont produce better results if attached to better players much like Charlie Coyle is producing at 5on5 with Pastrnak atm smh

I disagree with the 2 2nds though. I much rather have that return than a late 1st BUT I still try to leverage the Habs position as Monahan is the prize at the TDL until more sellers come forward like maybe even the Preds and Novak?!?

You know I like Monahan. This is a bad draft and 2 2nds > 1 late 1st. I don't expect them all to be used, but 2nds are important currency if you want to move up in a draft as I suspect the Habs might try to.

Anyway, Monahan has been injury prone which is why most Habs fans would not offer him a 5-6 year deal at the money he is worth. We can't have it both ways... either he's so valuable that we resign him, or we trade him lower for the same reasons we won't resign him.

Not according to Eric Engels, Arpon Basu, Marc-Antoine Godin, or anyone with a clue.

I will be thrilled if we get a 2025 1st, but 2 x 2024 2nds are better than a 2024 1st after the top 12 or so. There just isn't that much talent in this draft.

Appreciate the response. As much as I would like Knies or a 1st back, I would not do those deals if I put myself in the other teams shoes, so I cannot in good conscience suggest them here.

Could you imagine the rage in the Toronto fanbase if they traded a fantastic young player with size, grit, and a scoring touch who is under team control for another 5 years for a rental Monahan?

I know we trash talk around here, but Knies is a hell of an NHL player.

I never suggested Knies, the Leafs 1st will likely be in the 20+ range in a weak draft. There isn't much more value between a late 1st and an early 2nd in this draft, fans who bi*** about not wanting to give up a 1st but are willing to give up a 2nd are the ones who don't understand relative values. When I said a top prospect I meant more like Minton or Cowen, someone not in the NHL as of yet

My bad. I misread your last sentence about "swapping" on the PP as trading.

January 15, 2024 by Trege Wilson says 1st round pick: https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-trading-monahan-2024-trade-deadline-makes-sense/


2024-01-18 19:01:51 on dose.ca says the same: https://dose.ca/2024/01/18/sean-monahan-would-have-accepted-less-money-to-play-for-the-canadiens/


David Pagnotta says 1st and a 3rd or a prospect: https://www.danslescoulisses.com/sean-monahan-david-pagnotta-devoile-le-prix-qui-serait-demande-pour-ses-services/

again here: https://www.canucksdaily.com/nhl-team/montreal-canadiens/LATEST-Hefty-price-tag-revealed-for-potential-Canucks-target-Still-an-option-for-Allvin



careful now young man. thats a lot of reading

LOL... None of those "reporters" actually interface with NHL coaches or GMs except maybe Pagnota. They are basically new media rumour-mongers. I prefer the guys who travel embedded with the team.

You can quote Eklund all you want, no one is buying it!

they'll get as.much as they can get. if its a first, its a first, if its a second, its a second, easy as that.