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Tearing everything down is a typical AGM response when your team is struggling

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 18 déc. 2023
Publié: 18 déc. 2023
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We haven't even hired a new GM yet.


And the 6th longest serving Head Coach in the NHL is still running things behind the bench.


Maybe ... just maybe ... tearing everything down isn't going to make your problems go away ...
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    Because Pierre Dorion wouldn't let Vegas have Dadonov's no-trade list.


    He probably still had a grudge from getting fleeced over Mark Stone 2 years later ...
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    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 12
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    We shall see if Drury is interested in bringing back Tarasenko
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    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 14
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    We shall see if Drury is interested in bringing back Tarasenko


    Don't see it being for a 1st and a 3rd though... Especially for Tarasenko's NTC
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 14
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    Assuming the Sens are missing the playoffs, yeah it's good idea to sell upcoming UFAs. Chychrun trade value will never be higher as he can get into two playoffs if traded to a playoff team.
    Two awful trades for the Sens, trading for DeBrincat and Chychrun...and still missing the playoffs.
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 16
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    Don't see it being for a 1st and a 3rd though... Especially for Tarasenko's NTC


    Yea I agree. That NTC gives him full control and makes it difficult to get a max return
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    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 20
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    Yea I agree. That NTC gives him full control and makes it difficult to get a max return


    Exactly
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 25
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    Monahan would be younger, cheaper, and better than Tarasenko... more versatile too!
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    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 31
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    Quoting: Leafsfan98
    Don't see it being for a 1st and a 3rd though... Especially for Tarasenko's NTC


    Quoting: Rags21
    Yea I agree. That NTC gives him full control and makes it difficult to get a max return


    Quoting: Leafsfan98
    Exactly


    Tarasenko had a NTC last season too ...
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 32
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    Tarasenko had a NTC last season too ...


    Yea and the only reason the rangers coughed up a 1st is because they had two of them and Mikkola was included
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    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 33
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    Quoting: palhal
    Assuming the Sens are missing the playoffs, yeah it's good idea to sell upcoming UFAs. Chychrun trade value will never be higher as he can get into two playoffs if traded to a playoff team.
    Two awful trades for the Sens, trading for DeBrincat and Chychrun...and still missing the playoffs.


    Chychrun's family is based in the Ottawa Valley.

    He'll be signed to an 8 year extension like Chabot and Sanderson.
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 40
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    Tarasenko had a NTC last season too ...


    He also made the all-star game last season and less teams have the need to go after Tarasenko
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 40
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    Yea and the only reason the rangers coughed up a 1st is because they had two of them and Mikkola was included


    Tarasenko's cap hit was higher then.

    And Rangers gave up Blais and Skinner.

    If Drury isn't willing to be fair and negotiate in good faith all of a sudden, we'll just trade Tarasenko elsewhere.
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 42
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    He also made the all-star game last season and less teams have the need to go after Tarasenko


    John Scott made the all-star game once.

    I guess less teams needed to go after him too ...
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 44
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    Tarasenko's cap hit was higher then.

    And Rangers gave up Blais and Skinner.

    If Drury isn't willing to be fair and negotiate in good faith all of a sudden, we'll just trade Tarasenko elsewhere.


    Blais was a cap dump and Skinner is an ECHL player lol

    That’s the whole point, you can’t trade him else where if he doesn’t agree to it lol
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    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 46
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    John Scott made the all-star game once.

    I guess less teams needed to go after him too ...


    By a fan vote and not the NHL choosing him to represent STL...
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 52
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    Tarasenko's cap hit was higher then.

    And Rangers gave up Blais and Skinner.

    If Drury isn't willing to be fair and negotiate in good faith all of a sudden, we'll just trade Tarasenko elsewhere.


    There were a lot more factors than that. The Rangers last year used LTIR far less and so accumulated more cap space than this year.
    Blais was a retread for St. Louis who had performed very poorly for the Rangers, and Skinner was a throw-in ECHL prospect.
    The Blues knew what they were getting in Blais and the Rangers were clearing contract slots for further moves.
    18 déc. 2023 à 13 h 58
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    Blais was a cap dump and Skinner is an ECHL player lol

    That’s the whole point, you can’t trade him else where if he doesn’t agree to it lol


    Mikkola had a higher cap hit than Blais and was nothing more than a depth defenceman.

    And Tarasenko wanted to be traded to any playoff contender that could take him when the Blues botched his shoulder surgeries.

    If Drury wants to negotiate as bad as you all of a sudden, we'll just trade him elsewhere.

    It's that simple.
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 0
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    By a fan vote and not the NHL choosing him to represent STL...


    I'm sorry you couldn't tell that I was being sarcastic.

    Better luck next time.

    Either way, your point about the all-star game is irrelevant ...
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 3
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    Mikkola had a higher cap hit than Blais and was nothing more than a depth defenceman.

    And Tarasenko wanted to be traded to any playoff contender that could take him when the Blues botched his shoulder surgeries.

    If Drury wants to negotiate as bad as you all of a sudden, we'll just trade him elsewhere.

    It's that simple.


    Mikkola is a pretty good defenseman and the Panthers saw that as well. I don’t think the NYR and Panthers (two top Eastern teams) view him as “depth”

    And like I said before, “we’ll trade him else where” isn’t gonna work if he only choose 1 or 2 teams. That’s the whole problem of NTC’s and giving the player all the power
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 6
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    There were a lot more factors than that. The Rangers last year used LTIR far less and so accumulated more cap space than this year.
    Blais was a retread for St. Louis who had performed very poorly for the Rangers, and Skinner was a throw-in ECHL prospect.
    The Blues knew what they were getting in Blais and the Rangers were clearing contract slots for further moves.


    And Mikkola performed very poorly for the Blues as well.

    Here's his stat card from when he was traded:

    https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1623762661052755970



    Mikkola, Blais and Skinner were all spare parts that were thrown into the trade.

    The bigger picture was that Tarasenko was traded for a 1st and a 3rd.
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 11
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    And Mikkola performed very poorly for the Blues as well.

    Here's his stat card from when he was traded:

    https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1623762661052755970



    Mikkola, Blais and Skinner were all spare parts that were thrown into the trade.

    The bigger picture was that Tarasenko was traded for a 1st and a 3rd.


    The Rangers got a third pairing defenseman they needed (which is what JFresh talks about in the tweets right before the one you linked)

    But if Dorian wants to negotiate as bad as you all of a sudden, the Rangers could just trade for someone else.
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    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 12
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    Mikkola is a pretty good defenseman and the Panthers saw that as well. I don’t think the NYR and Panthers (two top Eastern teams) view him as “depth”

    And like I said before, “we’ll trade him else where” isn’t gonna work if he only choose 1 or 2 teams. That’s the whole problem of NTC’s and giving the player all the power


    No, he was not a "pretty good" defenceman lol.

    Here's his stat card from when he was traded:

    https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1623762661052755970

    Florida is irrelevant because he signed there months after.



    Tarasenko is going to choose any team that is a contender.

    If that was his motive at the deadline last year, it will likely be his motive at the deadline this year.
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 19
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    The Rangers got a third pairing defenseman they needed (which is what JFresh talks about in the tweets right before the one you linked)

    But if Dorian wants to negotiate as bad as you all of a sudden, the Rangers could just trade for someone else.


    JFresh also remarked, "that said don't expect that much from him lol".

    But you just had to look past that part ...

    And Dorion isn't Ottawa's GM anymore.

    And imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 21
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    JFresh also remarked, "that said don't expect that much from him lol".

    But you just had to look past that part ...

    And Dorion isn't Ottawa's GM anymore.


    Yeah I was just poking fun at you making those weird “we’ll just take our ball and go home” comments. My bad.
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 37
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    OTT got 2 guys to trade and 2 guys to explore trading

    Tarasenko
    Kubalik

    = Obvious

    2 guys to heavily consider

    = Chycrun and Giroux

    Both guys are up the following season and with how things are rn whats the likelihood of an extension. Sell high on them and get good assets back as it seems Sens management just gonna let this season float by per Friedman as they got bigger things to worry about in terms of straightening the organization out first.
    18 déc. 2023 à 14 h 46
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    OTT got 2 guys to trade and 2 guys to explore trading

    Tarasenko
    Kubalik

    = Obvious

    2 guys to heavily consider

    = Chycrun and Giroux

    Both guys are up the following season and with how things are rn whats the likelihood of an extension. Sell high on them and get good assets back as it seems Sens management just gonna let this season float by per Friedman as they got bigger things to worry about in terms of straightening the organization out first.


    We just fired the Head Coach.

    Jacques and Alfie are taking over behind the bench.


    As for Giroux and Chychrun, they're staying.

    They're both from the Ottawa Valley, they're both core pieces and both will easily get extensions.

    I'd also add that Giroux has a NMC.
     
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