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I'm into this. But we might be losing Katchouk. He is currently on waivers. I definitely like McLeod, Lavoie, and the picks, though.

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11 déc. 2023 à 17 h 14

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I like this

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11 déc. 2023 à 17 h 25

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I don't see the Oil moving McLeod. He is a liked guy in the locker room, and all the thoughts you mentioned are valid, but could also be seen as reasons why we should keep him. Also moving him for a guy that was just waived would be odd. Other part of the trade seems fair.

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11 déc. 2023 à 17 h 37

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Getting a guy through waivers can also be valuable, though. It gives teams breathing room, knowing that they have a player in the AHL that can come up any time and contribute but they aren't obligated to keep them on their roster right away. I don't think he is gonna make it through waivers, honestly. He has been great this season. Also, Katchouk has a cap hit lower than the current league minimum. Which, especially if he is through waivers, a Katchouk-Mcleod swap gives EDM $2.1m in space to maybe add elsewhere, keep Katchouk playing big minutes in Bakersfield, and then call him up for the playoffs to be a very affordable and effective bottom 6 forward. Not saying EDM would definitely do that, but there is more value there than most people would recognize.

11 déc. 2023 à 17 h 54

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Just don't see EDM trading two firsts + cheap depth for two decent players and to get out from Campbell. I like Dickinson, but his shooting% is going fall down to earth. Mrazek has had some great games this year, but he's just been so hit and miss over the past few years and the Oilers already have a lot of experience with that

Buying Campbell out at the end of this year really isn't that bad and when more teams have more cap room, it's an easier contract to move if they choose to do that.

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11 déc. 2023 à 18 h 41

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the thing is its not easy to move. its 5 million for another 4 years. also the oilers shouldn't look for more buyouts. And also Mrazek is finally healthy for the first time in years.

11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 5

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Lol instant and easy no from Oilers.

Here’s why they won’t do it: they could just buy out Campbell. They would save an average of 3M a year. And then could just go sign a mediocre goalie like Mrazek.

Doing that they save all those 1sts, Lavoie (who’s the next call up for injury), and Mcleod (who’s pretty much untouchable for the Oilers to move).

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 6

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I'm into this. But we might be losing Katchouk. He is currently on waivers. I definitely like McLeod, Lavoie, and the picks, though.

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Well of course you would. It’s It’s a deal unrealistically in favor of the Hawks by a country mile.

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 8

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the thing is its not easy to move. its 5 million for another 4 years. also the oilers shouldn't look for more buyouts. And also Mrazek is finally healthy for the first time in years.

Moving him not easy. Sure. Buying him out is very easy. They’d save 3M, then just spend the 3M on a Mrazek equivalent or better (see Blackwood). Their overall cap hit for their tandem goaltenders would remain exactly the same. And the roster which is already a Cup favorite as is, stays exactly the same.

11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 10

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Well of course you would. It’s a deal unrealistically in favor of the Hawks by a country mile.

A first and a third to dump Campbell then you add the 3rd for mrazek then you add the second for Dickinson then you add the 3rd for kachouck and then they send you guys a 6th I’m pretty sure a second+3 thirds and a sixth equals a first lol

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 12

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And we just gonna ignore Mcleod or what? I wouldn’t trade Mcleod straight up for a 1st.

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 20

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And we just gonna ignore Mcleod or what? I wouldn’t trade Mcleod straight up for a 1st.

Okay that’s fair I did ignore him sorry but it’s close if you take him out

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 22

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Well of course you would. It’s It’s a deal unrealistically in favor of the Hawks by a country mile.

That is a ridiculous notion. CHI would be generous to send anything in return for taking on Campbell's contract. Mcleod and Lavoie are interesting players, but they aren't worth a whole lot in trade. If you think that favors CHI, you're just plain wrong. This would be a discount. Not our fault your GM signed an awful contract. I like it because we can absorb the cap hit with very little discomfort and get decent assets that help our rebuild. But the fact that CHI can do it comfortably doesn't change the price to get it done.

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 28

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You need to look at it from Edmontons perspective. Read above the option to buy out Campbell. An easy move that won’t disrupt the current roster and doesn’t destroy our prospects pipeline.

Teams can get greedy all they want and ask for the moon to take on Campbell. Oilers can easilly just say nahhhh. Which is exactly what they are doing.

11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 40

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Quoting: SomeonesOffended

Okay that’s fair I did ignore him sorry but it’s close if you take him out

Without Mcleod I’d have to take a closer look at the players on offer to see if they could help us. If that’s being offered.

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 43

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It's not greed. It's just the price of a cap dump with that sort of salary and term. I understand what the buyout option is. But EDM still cannot do that until the summer, and they are worried about this season. Even then, what you consider a measly buyout penalty, can very quickly become a problem. Especially when it is 6 years long and especially during those two $2m+ seasons. It's certainly an option that they will have to weigh and likely not do. But if they want to dump that much cap and term, two 1sts is the bottom line price, and CHI sending anything back is generous.

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 47

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What pipeline??? Bourgault is struggling, Lavoie is 23 and hasn't established yet, Akey is significantly injured, Broberg is a bust and so is holloway. The Oilers window is gonna closed once Drai contract is up unless major moves are made.

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11 déc. 2023 à 19 h 57

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The thing is it’s not a critical situation in Edmonton any more on the goaltending front. Skinner who I always thought was better than Campbell anyways and would always be his 1A to Campbells 1B is on a 6 game win streak sporting one of the best save percentages in the NHL at .932. Cal Pickard looked sharp last night and nearly posted the shut out. Things have been fixed since the Coaching Change, issues that were apparent in both our last playoff runs are now gone. Heck, Campbell may even come back and be a real NHL goaltender behind this D. So the option to run with what you got plus buying out Campbell for a different look would be what they are comparing to the deals suggested here. And those deals are just too costly. If a non contending team with cap spaces to spare wants to step up and take like Broberg and a 1st for Campbell and send some useable pieces back it could work. Or the Oilers could target bad cap and try to revive that player. Anderson in Montreal for example. Risto in Philly as another example. There’s a lot more options open to Oilers than just paying out the nose to dump him. And this is what any team dealing with the Oilers need to realize, we’re willing to send futures but if the cost is too high we just look at Plan B or Plan C.

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11 déc. 2023 à 20 h 2

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Quoting: TheRealKyleDavidson

Lol what? Borgault is scoring down there and usually gets going at the end of the season. Lavoie is one injury away from being an NHL regular. Akey had a dislocated shoulder lol “significantly injury” and he wasn’t going to be part of the picture for atleast 2 years. Broberg isn’t a bust, he is a question mark still with plus size and elite skating that will make him a garanteed NHL defenceman(how good he is will depend on how his offensive development happens in AHL).

12 déc. 2023 à 0 h 7

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Non of them are going to be significant contributors. 4th liners and bottom pairing d men at best

12 déc. 2023 à 0 h 14

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Non of them are going to be significant contributors. 4th liners and bottom pairing d men at best

Says who? You

Okay Pro Scout over here. I’m sure you have season tickets in Bakersfield and aren’t just talking out of your ass.

12 déc. 2023 à 7 h 0

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Quoting: SwarmChair

I completely agree. There are more options. Although, I highly doubt Campbell is ever able to come back and be an NHL goaltender, it is possible. This is just a hypothetical response to other ACGM's that have attempted to dump him on CHI many times before, saying, "if this is what EDM wants to do, this is what it is gonna cost." And, yeah, the cost likely doesn't justify the benefits of moving his contract. Mostly because, in the short term, if they are using their best assets to move his contract out, that would leave them with no assets to acquire the players that would necessitate the cap space in the first place. And in the long term, would leave their pipeline more empty than it already is.

12 déc. 2023 à 12 h 10

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