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Trade Kulak and Ceci not Broberg

Créé par: Mitch9412
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 6 déc. 2023
Publié: 6 déc. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This is what I want to see the Oilers do over the next handful of months. Theyre going to trade Broberg but I think that is a major mistake and can be avoided by trading Kulak now, playing Broberg and upgrading the RHD at the deadline.

Let me know what you think. Trade values are normally just starting points and may not reflect exact or accurate value (but I try to be unbaised)

The Sharks deal might be way out to lunch but I'd do almost anything I could to make that deal work. Any prospect, pick, etc.
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6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 6
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Red Wings don't need Kulak. They already have 7D plus young Edvinsson playing in Grand Rapids.

Sharks don't want the JC contract. Already eating enough dead cap with Karlsson and Burns.
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6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 7
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Red Wings don't need Kulak. They already have 7D plus young Edvinsson playing in Grand Rapids.


This!
6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 12
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Canes aren’t trading Pesce any longer, and they are not interested
In taking back Ceci.

If the sky fell, and the Canes were out of a playoff spot by the TDL, they might trade Pesce but not for a replacement level defender with another year of term.
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6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 18
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Boston has cap problems, not trading for a dump.

Would swap Zboril for Broberg, fresh start for both.
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6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 18
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Canes aren’t trading Pesce any longer, and they are not interested
In taking back Ceci.

If the sky fell, and the Canes were out of a playoff spot by the TDL, they might trade Pesce but not for a replacement level defender with another year of term.


Yea they are not trading pesce unless another great player is coming back
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6 déc. 2023 à 13 h 40
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DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP
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6 déc. 2023 à 14 h 14
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Never heard a truer statement
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6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 8
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Detroit declines
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6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 22
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Quoting: SharkTank
Red Wings don't need Kulak. They already have 7D plus young Edvinsson playing in Grand Rapids.

Sharks don't want the JC contract. Already eating enough dead cap with Karlsson and Burns.


Fair on the Detroit thing. Sorta forgot they had drafted Edvinsson. It was a really quick look from me to see a team that could use a half decent LHD. For the sharks that is mostly based on recent rumours about the Oilers being interested in Blackwood and the only way that occurs is the Sharks taking back Campbell. Also, when the Sharks are where they are at rebuild wise, they should absolutely be weaponizing money to get more assets so maybe it took more of a return but I think they don't really care about the cap hit or the money as long as the owner is ok paying it and they get a return. But fair point to bring up.
6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 24
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Quoting: Caniac555
Canes aren’t trading Pesce any longer, and they are not interested
In taking back Ceci.

If the sky fell, and the Canes were out of a playoff spot by the TDL, they might trade Pesce but not for a replacement level defender with another year of term.


Another good point. Pesce was just a buzz name that I liked when the rumours were out a few months back. This deal could really be with any team that is willing to move a top pair defender. I will disagree with you on calling Ceci a replacement level player. Thats just being ignorant. Ceci is a good second pair defender but he is being asked to play top pair and the Oilers need an upgrade.
6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 29
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Boston has cap problems, not trading for a dump.

Would swap Zboril for Broberg, fresh start for both.


Foegele isnt really a dump and the Oilers would prefer to keep him but in my opinion they should realocate some forward money to improve the D. As for Zboril, the Oilers dont need another LHD to burry behind Nurse-Ekholm-Kulak (if they choose to do this). That trade would make no sense from an oilers perspective. If they wont move Kulak to play Broberg, why would they do it for Zboril.
6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 37
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If Ceci was a solid 2nd pairing defender, at 3.25m with another year of term you wouldn’t be trading him. That is a great deal for a top 4 defender…which Ceci is not. He’s a 5/6 on a good team, one that isn’t worth paying assets for nor spending 3.25m on.

It’s not ignorance, it’s perspective. Ceci would be the 3rd best RHD on the Canes, and probably the 6 or 7 best overall defenseman.

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Another good point. Pesce was just a buzz name that I liked when the rumours were out a few months back. This deal could really be with any team that is willing to move a top pair defender. I will disagree with you on calling Ceci a replacement level player. Thats just being ignorant. Ceci is a good second pair defender but he is being asked to play top pair and the Oilers need an upgrade.
6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 41
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Fair on the Detroit thing. Sorta forgot they had drafted Edvinsson. It was a really quick look from me to see a team that could use a half decent LHD. For the sharks that is mostly based on recent rumours about the Oilers being interested in Blackwood and the only way that occurs is the Sharks taking back Campbell. Also, when the Sharks are where they are at rebuild wise, they should absolutely be weaponizing money to get more assets so maybe it took more of a return but I think they don't really care about the cap hit or the money as long as the owner is ok paying it and they get a return. But fair point to bring up.


The most likely outcome for Campbell is he will be bought out in the offseason.
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6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 52
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Ceci gonna have to pay to move and wont get much back if anything

As hes not really good. Points show one thing but eye test and stats show another

Kulak just gives Peeke vibes. To much for third pair and on comp team would be HS
6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 56
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Quoting: Caniac555
If Ceci was a solid 2nd pairing defender, at 3.25m with another year of term you wouldn’t be trading him. That is a great deal for a top 4 defender…which Ceci is not. He’s a 5/6 on a good team, one that isn’t worth paying assets for nor spending 3.25m on.

It’s not ignorance, it’s perspective. Ceci would be the 3rd best RHD on the Canes, and probably the 6 or 7 best overall defenseman.


So it is ignorance because what you just explained is not replacement level and the Oilers need to move him because they need an upgrade. I never said I didn't think his contract wasn't of value but having him, Bouchard and Desharnais as the RHD they need an upgrade. If they could find a way to not move him and also add, theyd obviously like to do that but to get good players sometimes you have to give half decent ones up too.
6 déc. 2023 à 15 h 57
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Ceci gonna have to pay to move and wont get much back if anything

As hes not really good. Points show one thing but eye test and stats show another

Kulak just gives Peeke vibes. To much for third pair and on comp team would be HS


Ceci is not a negative asset by any means and if you think so your eye test isnt working because the analytics on this player are nice at 3.25 but as ive already said, the Oilers need an upgrade.
6 déc. 2023 à 16 h 0
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Ceci is not a negative asset by any means and if you think so your eye test isnt working because the analytics on this player are nice at 3.25 but as ive already said, the Oilers need an upgrade.


He really aint good. Like the one year in Pitt clouds people both analytically and eye test wise. He basically is as close to a negative asset as possible

Hes being used as a top pair guy when he aint. Hes a third pair guy on the majority of competitive teams Pitt saw that and towards the end Toronto saw that.

And now EDM gonna potentially move Broberg as they rather play this guy yeash

Look at Barrie away from EDM just imagine Ceci its gonna be a yikes and a half.
6 déc. 2023 à 16 h 8
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He really aint good. Like the one year in Pitt clouds people both analytically and eye test wise

Hes being used as a top pair guy when he aint. Hes a third pair guy on the majority of competitive teams Pitt saw that and towards the end Toronto saw that.

And now EDM gonna potentially move Broberg to keep him ouch


You're not reading... he has good analytics literally this season and last with Edmonton. No past analytics clouding anyone's judgement. The Oilers simply need an upgrade at RHD in general. They have two second pair guys and a 7th Dman playing on their right side. To think Ceci has negative value is just an unintelligent thought.
6 déc. 2023 à 16 h 17
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You're not reading... he has good analytics literally this season and last with Edmonton. No past analytics clouding anyone's judgement. The Oilers simply need an upgrade at RHD in general. They have two second pair guys and a 7th Dman playing on their right side. To think Ceci has negative value is just an unintelligent thought.


Ceci is bad cant see it I cant help yah

The one time he looked good was a stretch of play after February 10th

image?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublish.oilersnation.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F07%2Fceci_career.png&w=3840&q=75

And if you need it GF is a ratio of the goals scored and goals against when a player is on the ice in 5 on 5 play.

I get your trying to defend the signing and the player but hes not good. Even the majority of EDM fans see it

They would much have anyone else play with Nurse than Ceci who is just an eyesore analytically and eye test wise.

Hes just a waste of 3.25m and they gonna lose Broberg as a result ouch

Like if Nurse being honest anyone but him would be his preference lul. And we saw it already playing with EDM big boyz can make stats look better than they should just check out Barrie in EDM vs. NSH. Ceci god hes already not great on a new team could be utter disaster.

Might be looking like hes good but how much is Nurse carrying is the real question lul.
6 déc. 2023 à 17 h 1
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You could retain half on Ceci and it still wouldn’t make sense for the Canes to bring him in. I’d rather pay Chatfield 3.25 on a longer extension.

Quoting: Mitch9412
So it is ignorance because what you just explained is not replacement level and the Oilers need to move him because they need an upgrade. I never said I didn't think his contract wasn't of value but having him, Bouchard and Desharnais as the RHD they need an upgrade. If they could find a way to not move him and also add, theyd obviously like to do that but to get good players sometimes you have to give half decent ones up too.
6 déc. 2023 à 19 h 3
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Ceci is bad cant see it I cant help yah

The one time he looked good was a stretch of play after February 10th

image?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpublish.oilersnation.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F07%2Fceci_career.png&w=3840&q=75

And if you need it GF is a ratio of the goals scored and goals against when a player is on the ice in 5 on 5 play.

I get your trying to defend the signing and the player but hes not good. Even the majority of EDM fans see it

They would much have anyone else play with Nurse than Ceci who is just an eyesore analytically and eye test wise.

Hes just a waste of 3.25m and they gonna lose Broberg as a result ouch

Like if Nurse being honest anyone but him would be his preference lul. And we saw it already playing with EDM big boyz can make stats look better than they should just check out Barrie in EDM vs. NSH. Ceci god hes already not great on a new team could be utter disaster.

Might be looking like hes good but how much is Nurse carrying is the real question lul.


Using relative statistics against his own team makes no sense as an argument here... he has a 52% xGF in the last three season (2021-2024), which if you need, means he is expected to be on the ice for more goals than against which is really really good for a defencemen we all think is playing above his weight class ice time wise. In addition to just xGF% he is also above 50% in scoring chances for, high danger chances for, all while having sub 50% ozone starts and faceoffs. Also meaning that he starts more shift in the d-zone than any other zone on the ice and yet somehow is on the ice for more expected goals, scoring chances and high danger chances. That picture you posted screams, "I read something on the internet one time and it looked bad so it must be". Stick to something else maybe...
 
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