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Nurse and more

Créé par: clapperzzz11
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 24 nov. 2023
Publié: 24 nov. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
1775 000 $
Transactions
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PHI
  1. Nurse, Darnell
  2. Skinner, Stuart
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (EDM)
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EDM
  1. Lindström, Gustav
  2. Monahan, Sean
  3. Ylönen, Jesse
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Latest 2nd rd pick between Habs and Pens
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
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775 000 $775 000 $
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UFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $
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24 nov. 2023 à 9 h 52
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the 1st is to get rid of nurses contract, so skinner and a 3rd isnt enough for frost and hart
24 nov. 2023 à 9 h 54
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So your answer is to make the defense even worse? Baffling.
24 nov. 2023 à 9 h 55
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Quoting: Herb_Brooks
the 1st is to get rid of nurses contract, so skinner and a 3rd isnt enough for frost and hart


Nurse contrat is a bit over is value, but EDM don't have to GET RID of. He has some value. Maybe a new team will help him by being better.
24 nov. 2023 à 9 h 55
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Gotta think bruins and Montreal decline
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24 nov. 2023 à 9 h 56
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So your answer is to make the defense even worse? Baffling.


That's not worse. Lindstrom is better than Desharnais.
Girard don't have the offensive side of Nurse, but have a better defensive side.
24 nov. 2023 à 10 h 1
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Quoting: clapperzzz11
Nurse contrat is a bit over is value, but EDM don't have to GET RID of. He has some value. Maybe a new team will help him by being better.


hes at least 2mil overpaid for a long time more, doesnt have value at 9.25
24 nov. 2023 à 10 h 5
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That's not worse. Lindstrom is better than Desharnais.
Girard don't have the offensive side of Nurse, but have a better defensive side.

From what do you derive this judgement? Whether from my eye test, simple statistical measures, or more in-depth analysis, Girard is genuinely bad at defense and gets exploited for it regularly while playing an easier role than Nurse has.

As for Lindstrom, he'd be at best a marginal upgrade on Desharnais and, even then, I'm not certain.
24 nov. 2023 à 10 h 11
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In the offseason, if Debrusk has not extended, sure, until then…no.
24 nov. 2023 à 10 h 40
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Hughes hangs up!! Talks to Gorton, has a good laugh and then goes to Schwartz`s and orders a Smoked Meat Sandwich and forgets you ever called
24 nov. 2023 à 11 h 33
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Avs decline. Moving Girard would be for futures not to add cap.
24 nov. 2023 à 16 h 59
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Avs decline. Moving Girard would be for futures not to add cap.


I don’t agree. RNH at $5.125M is such a sweet deal. I don’t like the age and the term, but that would lock down 2C for the rest of the cup window. I think Edmonton declines that pretty easily.
24 nov. 2023 à 17 h 1
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Quoting: SupremeBone
From what do you derive this judgement? Whether from my eye test, simple statistical measures, or more in-depth analysis, Girard is genuinely bad at defense and gets exploited for it regularly while playing an easier role than Nurse has.

As for Lindstrom, he'd be at best a marginal upgrade on Desharnais and, even then, I'm not certain.


I don’t agree on Girard. He’s just a different defenseman. Good at rush defense, but doesn’t play very physically and doesn’t clear the net front like the big body defensemen of the past. But he’s a solid defenseman. Not the answer to Edmonton’s problems, but still solid.
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24 nov. 2023 à 18 h 57
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I don’t agree. RNH at $5.125M is such a sweet deal. I don’t like the age and the term, but that would lock down 2C for the rest of the cup window. I think Edmonton declines that pretty easily.


Would it really be though? Bearing in mind that we'd probably be having to move out RyJo & Manson and possibly paying to do so with the cap situation. Is Nuge that good? Open to debate but I don't think it works for the Avs.
25 nov. 2023 à 17 h 33
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Would it really be though? Bearing in mind that we'd probably be having to move out RyJo & Manson and possibly paying to do so with the cap situation. Is Nuge that good? Open to debate but I don't think it works for the Avs.


I’d say no matter what, we’d probably need to move on from Manson, so let’s just call that a wash.

Basically, you’d be trading Girard (a solid player in a 3/4D role) for RNH (a high end 2C). Girard would need to be replaced by someone who would likely be a downgrade. I’d argue that RNH is a larger upgrade over Johansen than Girard would be over whoever we’d get in free agency. There’s still risk, but RNH is real good.
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30 nov. 2023 à 10 h 35
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Why would you go get Girard knowing he isnt playing right now? He recently stepped out of the game for personal issues…
 
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