This is just petty, trolling a fanbase that had nothing to do with the thread you are so butt hurt about. The previous thread was created by a Sens fan, not a Flames fan

Flames pass you have to include Matthews for us to even think about moving the elite defensive forces that are a combined -10

- Every flames user here

Not even close, but I can take a joke lol

Sorry your butt hurts

-Flames Fan

Don’t be mad when you guys don’t get mcdavid for zadorov lol

Add the next 11 1st round picks please

What about matthews instead of the picks? Would that get it across the line

Half retained lol?

Don’t worry, we won’t

We’re not unrealistic or borderline delusional like so many TOR Fans seem to be on here

Good Luck with Treliving btw!

Trust me, you’re going to need it. Hopefully he doesn’t screw you over too badly like he did ARI and then CGY, but given his moves so far, you’re going to need all the luck you can get 🍀 And I wouldn’t hold my breath too long that he’ll make things any better for y’all. Don’t want you to pass out and bang your head or anything

Please Be Safe! 🙏

Damn you went off lol

Legendary post lol I made one similar a couple days ago they are out of control

I’m not sure how / why it happens, but pretty standard for fans of bottom feeding teams to massively overvalue their pending FAs. So Flames fans this year are no different than Canuck fans last year (remember how much Horvat was supposedly going to fetch @ TDL 😅). It’s like some kind of group think delusion takes hold - must help to focus on something other than team’s performances. None of the Flames dmen (Hanifin aside) return a 1st imo but we’ll see.

I thought that was what you were looking for lol


C'mon now, we're not being unrealistic in our wants/returns in exchange for our Top Players and have provided fair comparables. Don't forget it's TOR Fans who are trying to justify weak offers because Tanev is supposedly old and has slowed down, yet they throw him right in to 1RD and it isn't just a couple guys wanting Zadorov to toughen up the Leafs and have him on your back end


That's interesting considering, other than Oesterle, Hanifin might be the worst of the bunch this season

You don't think Andersson, Weegar return 1sts? With retention, Zadorov will very likely return a 1st or the equivalent. Given the demand, Tanev retained should as well

IMO Zadorov is worth a 2nd. Tanev is worth 2nd +3rd, maybe 2x2nds.

Based on what exactly though!? How do you derive those values and is that with or without retention or does that matter at all!?

LAK traded Sean Durzi for a 2nd. IMO he was better then, than Zadorov is now.

A Tanev comparable is Gavrikov to LAK. They sent a 1st + 3rd + Quick(cap dump), for Gavrikov and Korpisalo.

Never considered the flames would trade Weegar or Anderson; that would be bizzare. Trading pending ufas -of which one, maybe more have indicated they won’t re-sign makes sense to me

Okay, you said Flames DMen, not Flames Dmen who might be available, thanks for the clarification

Who, Zadorov!? Yeah well he's not entirely wanting out yet. He said himself that he supports his Agent, because he hired him, but that it was his Agent who decided to send out that Tweet in an effort to "protect" or help Zadorov on the business side of things. It's absolutely foolish and unprofessional as far as I'm concerned and if we can come to terms with Zadorov and he fires his agent, we can easily make up and move on. If not, how many guys like Big-Z come available and have you seen the interest in him on this site!?? GM's Salivate over acquiring guys like Zadorov and TOR, VAN & NJD were immediately added to the queue of potential suitors

I could see us re-upping Tanev, but it's time to cash in and move on from both Tanev & Hanifin for that matter, especially if they are remotely disgruntled or ready to move on themselves.

The Flames need to rid themselves of anybody questioning whether they want to remain Calgary Flames, that's entirely Zadorov's Big Frustration. They were working on an extension which got put on hold and he's mad that he's not getting more ice time and PP opportunity when guys like Hanifin have been struggling and are not committed whereas he is. I'd be mad too, but I'm hoping we haven't reached the point of no return and can still reel him in.

Regardless, with retention and given the demand for their services, Zadorov, Tanev and Hanifin could all net a 1st+ or equivalent in return

Sorry, but those aren't good comparables.

Is Durzi 6'6 250lbs!? Does he Hit, Block Shots, Kill Penalties, Drop the Gloves and is he a Leader like Zadorov!? Durzi's a Good Player, but he's more easily replaceable than Zadorov who is a rare breed and brings what GM's need & want, especially come playoff time

Gavrikov is a LD and has never been nominated as an All-Star or Norris Trophy Candidate; Tanev, on the other hand, has and that was just a little over a season ago.

Quality Right Shot RD's are more rare and difficult to acquire and therefore more valuable, especially those considered to be Top Shut Down Defenders and Superior Skaters with Off the Charts Hockey IQ & Vision, like Tanev has. What pushes Tanev's value over the top though is the retention and bidding war for his services. Some Team is going to have to pay more than the other 3-6+ Teams wanting Tanev come the TDL, so like Chiarot & Savard, we should secure an over pay for Tanev

My original opinion stands. Fans of teams that find themselves out of the running almost always over value their players. 3 pending ufa dmen on a bad team 🤷🏻; i don’t see a 1st for any except Hanifin given his age & higher ceiling. Time will tell…

I guess we'll see the return at the trade deadline.

IMO Durzi has been great in Arizona this year, and I would take him over Zadorov any day of the week.

As for Tanev, I'm certain there will be a lot of teams interested. That said, he's 33, and he doesn't look as solid defensively, as he did before. He loses a lot more board battles. He lost his man on the cycle in several plays that resulted in goals. He's also a little less effective at tying up sticks infront of the net. It all adds up.

I would agree with you if Tanev maintained the same level of play as last year. IMO, he hasn't.

Care to place a wager on the trade deadline outcome?

I don’t know how that would work or how we would settle the wager

Would you prefer Durzi over Rasmus Andersson, Hanifin or Weegar!? Because that’s a better comparison, since they’re offensive Defensemen

I would hope you’d prefer Zadorov & Tanev over Durzi on the PK or when it comes to Blocking Shots, and certainly Big-Z over Durzi in a fight against Lucic, Reaves or Xhekaj

Durzi is definitely better offensively, but he wouldn’t fair too well in many of the roles we rely on Zadorov for. IOW they’re both Dmen, just not the same type, hence why ARI has Joshua Brown

I don't know if I would prefer Durzi over Andersson, but his play this year is better than Weegar and Hanifin so far. Pretty he would lead our team in scoring with 5G, 10P in 14GP. That said, I don't watch Arizona enough to say he's better than our top D with any certainty. My point was that he returned a 2nd in trade, and he has as much value as Z to a team, though they both play a completely different game.

Honestly I don't really see the difference between Hanifin -Tanev and Zadorov - Tanev on the PK. Andersson - Weegar seems similar to Hanifin - Andersson. We'd definitely miss Tanev on the PK, but not Z. As far as fights go Z isn't a heavyweight fighter, and wouldn't be fighting the likes of Lucic. Remember when Lucic punched him in the face with the glove on? All Z did was hold onto Looch without even considering dropping the gloves.

There’s more to hockey than scoring points though, so scoring more does not necessarily make you a better player or worth more.

Klingberg is a good example, sure he puts up points, but he’s a liability

Tanev doesn’t produce much points, but that doesn’t mean he’s not valuable. His value is completely in his ability to defend

Zadorov is valuable because of his Size. Grit, Physicality and Meanness. The fact he can score and put up points is a bonus. He is a Heavy Weight Fighter who knows he’d kill guys. Is he as good of a fighter and/or does he want to fight Lucic, probably not. Owners like these guys too because they put butts in the seats and therefore help sell tickets = $$$