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Équipe: 2024-25 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 8 nov. 2023
Publié: 8 nov. 2023
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8 nov. 2023 à 18 h 8
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Devils do not want Branny take this some where else. They also have no room for him when Miller comes back. And other point to counter this trade THEY HAVE NEMEC waiting and oh they also have Cal so yeah decline
8 nov. 2023 à 18 h 9
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Disagree, Brannstrom actually plays solid defense, Addison does not.
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8 nov. 2023 à 18 h 10
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If the Addison deal is a benchmark, it's even more reason to keep him
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8 nov. 2023 à 18 h 11
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Disagree, Brannstrom actually plays solid defense, Addison does not.


Yup.
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8 nov. 2023 à 18 h 35
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Brannstrom and Addison are NOT comparable at all.

Addison is an undersized PP specialist who is not good in his own zone and not that great in transition. He was very sheltered last season and still had bad results.

Brannstrom is an ES 2-way D-man who excels in transition

Smaller puck moving D-men who are not good defensively don't draw a lot of interest, 2-way D-men who excel in transition do.

18 of Addison 29 pts last season were on the pp, so only 11 pts at ES in 62 games. Brannstrom had 17 ES pts in 74 games.

And the 2 seasons prior (21-22 y/o), Brannstrom produced 18 ES in 83 games. What was Addison doing back then? Well he played only 18 NHL games, 4 pts.


https://dobberhockey.com/2023/09/10/the-journey-deep-dive-on-calen-addison/
8 nov. 2023 à 19 h 26
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I don’t think Addison was even good on power play
8 nov. 2023 à 21 h 33
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I don’t think Addison was even good on power play


Neither is Brannstrom
8 nov. 2023 à 21 h 50
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Brannstrom and Addison are NOT comparable at all.

Addison is an undersized PP specialist who is not good in his own zone and not that great in transition. He was very sheltered last season and still had bad results.

Brannstrom is an ES 2-way D-man who excels in transition

Smaller puck moving D-men who are not good defensively don't draw a lot of interest, 2-way D-men who excel in transition do.

18 of Addison 29 pts last season were on the pp, so only 11 pts at ES in 62 games. Brannstrom had 17 ES pts in 74 games.

And the 2 seasons prior (21-22 y/o), Brannstrom produced 18 ES in 83 games. What was Addison doing back then? Well he played only 18 NHL games, 4 pts.


https://dobberhockey.com/2023/09/10/the-journey-deep-dive-on-calen-addison/


Brannstrom is a jack of all trades master of none. He can't run our powerplay as he's worse than Chabot with no shot threat. He plays competent defensively and can't make make a pass under pressure but not as bad as Hamonic. He will be a third pairing player for us making him stuck with Hamonic with DJ at the helm. Kleven is knocking at the door Thomson/JBD need time. But what is Brannstrom game and where does he fit long term. The Addison comparable made sense as they were both highly thought off and traded young in major deals. Addison is better offensively and Brannstrom is better defensively which evans out.
8 nov. 2023 à 21 h 50
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
If the Addison deal is a benchmark, it's even more reason to keep him


Where does he fit long term?
8 nov. 2023 à 22 h 15
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Where does he fit long term?


3rd pair. The Sens don't have anyone better for the 3rd pair
9 nov. 2023 à 8 h 16
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3rd pair. The Sens don't have anyone better for the 3rd pair


Kleven JBD Thomson guenette
9 nov. 2023 à 8 h 28
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Kleven JBD Thomson guenette


JBD has looked better then in the past, but literally none of these guys are close to being better than Brannstrom is right now. Hopefully JBD can keep it up and cement himself, but right now they're a 5 NHL D team, and number 3,4, and 5 are currently hurt.
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9 nov. 2023 à 10 h 42
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JBD has looked better then in the past, but literally none of these guys are close to being better than Brannstrom is right now. Hopefully JBD can keep it up and cement himself, but right now they're a 5 NHL D team, and number 3,4, and 5 are currently hurt.


Kleven will be better and DJ loves Hamonic
12 nov. 2023 à 16 h 25
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Brannstrom is a jack of all trades master of none. He can't run our powerplay as he's worse than Chabot with no shot threat. He plays competent defensively and can't make make a pass under pressure but not as bad as Hamonic. He will be a third pairing player for us making him stuck with Hamonic with DJ at the helm. Kleven is knocking at the door Thomson/JBD need time. But what is Brannstrom game and where does he fit long term. The Addison comparable made sense as they were both highly thought off and traded young in major deals. Addison is better offensively and Brannstrom is better defensively which evans out.

Kleven needs at least a full season of development, he hasn't played much of pro hockey and we aren't in the business of devolving players in the NHL as we need to compete yesterday

Thomson will not amount to much, he looks to be headed as a cup-of-coffee guy, he's too anxious to play NHL defense. JBD is doing well but doesn't show more than a defensive 3rd pairing D-man. They're both RHDs anyway and Brannstrom is LHD

You're selling Brannstrom short because he is pretty good at quick puck recoveries and moving the puck up the ice with swift passing or carry-outs. He excels in transition. Addison is not very good at pretty much everything. The ONLY thing Addison has shown over Brannstrom is that he is more productive on the PP in terms of assists. Brannstrom is quite at anything else.
13 nov. 2023 à 18 h 35
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Kleven needs at least a full season of development, he hasn't played much of pro hockey and we aren't in the business of devolving players in the NHL as we need to compete yesterday

Thomson will not amount to much, he looks to be headed as a cup-of-coffee guy, he's too anxious to play NHL defense. JBD is doing well but doesn't show more than a defensive 3rd pairing D-man. They're both RHDs anyway and Brannstrom is LHD

You're selling Brannstrom short because he is pretty good at quick puck recoveries and moving the puck up the ice with swift passing or carry-outs. He excels in transition. Addison is not very good at pretty much everything. The ONLY thing Addison has shown over Brannstrom is that he is more productive on the PP in terms of assists. Brannstrom is quite at anything else.


That is my point Addison puts up points Brannstrom plays defensive. If Kleven is ready next year and JBD is ready in 2 once Hamonic is gone Brannstrom is left as our 7th
14 nov. 2023 à 8 h 32
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That is my point Addison puts up points Brannstrom plays defensive. If Kleven is ready next year and JBD is ready in 2 once Hamonic is gone Brannstrom is left as our 7th

I always agreed with that, when Kleven is ready, we can afford to move Brannstrom but it's not easy to play in the NHL and some were expecting Kleven to be there right from the start but he needs a bit of development, he has very little pro experience.

JBD doesn't matter as he is RHD, Brannstrom is LHD. However with new management and eventually new coaching, we could maybe finally play Brannstrom on RD, example :

Sanderson - Zub
Chychrun - Chabot
Kleven - Brannstrom
JBD

Note : For Addison, even if he puts pts (assists on the PP), Brannstrom is much much better at even strength and Addison can't be trusted at ES (like Ty Smith for example) so can't compare their values.
14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 15
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With cap space, why would the Sens trade Brannstrom? Why not just actually have NHL-experienced depth for the first time in 15 years?
14 nov. 2023 à 16 h 52
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I always agreed with that, when Kleven is ready, we can afford to move Brannstrom but it's not easy to play in the NHL and some were expecting Kleven to be there right from the start but he needs a bit of development, he has very little pro experience.

JBD doesn't matter as he is RHD, Brannstrom is LHD. However with new management and eventually new coaching, we could maybe finally play Brannstrom on RD, example :

Sanderson - Zub
Chychrun - Chabot
Kleven - Brannstrom
JBD

Note : For Addison, even if he puts pts (assists on the PP), Brannstrom is much much better at even strength and Addison can't be trusted at ES (like Ty Smith for example) so can't compare their values.


Brannstrom can play at Evan strength but has no points in 10 games evan JBD has more points. I question if branny has NHL offensive abilities like Addison does not have NHL defensive abilities. However they make up for those deficiencies on the other side of the puck
15 nov. 2023 à 16 h 44
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Brannstrom can play at Evan strength but has no points in 10 games evan JBD has more points. I question if branny has NHL offensive abilities like Addison does not have NHL defensive abilities. However they make up for those deficiencies on the other side of the puck

Looking at a small sample size will do nothing. I have already addressed this, Brannstrom has actually produced more pts or Pts/GP at ES than Addison. Again, the ONLY thing Addison has done is producing some assists on the PP, where Brannstrom never played a lot due to team's offensive depth

A few extra assists on the PP doesn't make up for Brannstrom being much better defensively, in transition and offensively at ES
15 nov. 2023 à 19 h 42
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Looking at a small sample size will do nothing. I have already addressed this, Brannstrom has actually produced more pts or Pts/GP at ES than Addison. Again, the ONLY thing Addison has done is producing some assists on the PP, where Brannstrom never played a lot due to team's offensive depth

A few extra assists on the PP doesn't make up for Brannstrom being much better defensively, in transition and offensively at ES


Since when was branny good offensively at ES
17 nov. 2023 à 14 h 37
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Since when was branny good offensively at ES

2020-21 (when he turned 21 y/o) to 2022-23, Brannstrom produced 0.9 Points per 60 ES minutes played

Makar and Karlsson are at the top of this (makes sense) but among the 241 D-men who played at least 1000 ES minutes in these 3 seasons, Brannstrom ranked 115th

It's not "good" but it's a bit above average, he has been producing decently vs TOI and opportunity

And it's more than Addison who produced 0.89 Points per 60 ES minutes played. Considering how much better Brannstrom is defensively, he's more valuable to a NHL team.
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17 nov. 2023 à 19 h 22
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2020-21 (when he turned 21 y/o) to 2022-23, Brannstrom produced 0.9 Points per 60 ES minutes played

Makar and Karlsson are at the top of this (makes sense) but among the 241 D-men who played at least 1000 ES minutes in these 3 seasons, Brannstrom ranked 115th

It's not "good" but it's a bit above average, he has been producing decently vs TOI and opportunity

And it's more than Addison who produced 0.89 Points per 60 ES minutes played. Considering how much better Brannstrom is defensively, he's more valuable to a NHL team.


How can you prove that Brannstrom is significantly better offensively per 60 there are better metric and Brannstrom is slightly better defensively not significantly
17 nov. 2023 à 22 h 13
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How can you prove that Brannstrom is significantly better offensively per 60 there are better metric

Not sure I understand, it is written poorly at the end

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Brannstrom is slightly better defensively not significantly

Slightly? No, there's an HUGE difference
18 nov. 2023 à 8 h 53
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Not sure I understand, it is written poorly at the end


Slightly? No, there's an HUGE difference


Ok I'm asking you to prove that with a stat I don't understand
19 nov. 2023 à 12 h 43
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Ok I'm asking you to prove that with a stat I don't understand

Hopefully you can see this image :

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See xGoals Against Percentile? It means he had lower expected goals against than 92% of D-men in the league... Note that it's always vs the role you play, Brannstrom had a 3rd pairing role and crushed it both offensively and defensively.

We use xGA60 to illustrate which players helped or hindered team defense when they were on the ice.
 
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