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Holland Only Card Left

Créé par: Prime_Jimbo
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 27 oct. 2023
Publié: 27 oct. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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If I'm Ken Holland, no picks are safe. McDavid and Drai will be exhausted come playoff time. They need help and this team needs good depth ASAP.

Nothing would be worse than to not go all out, over the next couple years, when the team clearly needs to improve and is in possibly their best window for the foreseeable future.

The following year, there is a decent cap amount to work with. Bourgault replaces Barabanov while Holloway replaces Janmark. Re-sign Foegele if the AAV is reasonable (the same? Slightly less?) or find a vet third liner to replace him. There is enough money for Raddysh and Broberg plus a backup goalie. It's a decent two year window before you have to sell Drai on the future to stay and Bouchard's next extension.
Transactions
1.
EDM
  1. Murphy, Connor
  2. Raddysh, Taylor
CHI
  1. Brown, Connor
  2. Campbell, Jack
  3. Tullio, Tyler
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
  6. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Barabanov, Alexander (1 250 000 $ retained)
  2. Sturm, Nico
SJS
  1. Lavoie, Raphael
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2026 (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Stalock, Alex
  2. Vaakanainen, Urho
ANA
  1. Kulak, Brett
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2026 (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
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2025
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $82 963 333 $850 000 $850 000 $536 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Kane, Evander
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 3
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McDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $12 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Hyman, Zach
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
5 125 000 $5 125 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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Draisaitl, Leon
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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Barabanov, Alexander
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Foegele, Warren
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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McLeod, Ryan
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
C
RFA - 2
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Raddysh, Taylor
758 333 $758 333 $
AD
RFA - 1
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Janmark, Mattias
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Sturm, Nico
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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Ryan, Derek
900 000 $900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Nurse, Darnell
9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
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Murphy, Connor
4 400 000 $4 400 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Skinner, Stuart
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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Ekholm, Mattias
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
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Bouchard, Evan
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Stalock, Alex
800 000 $800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Exempté du ballottageBroberg, Philip
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 1
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Ceci, Cody
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Ducks d'Anaheim
Vaakanainen, Urho
850 000 $850 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
Pederson, Lane
775 000 $775 000 $
C
UFA - 2

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27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 6
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"The following year, there is a decent cap amount to work with. Bourgault replaces Barabanov while Holloway replaces Janmark. Re-sign Foegele if the AAV is reasonable (the same? Slightly less?) or find a vet third liner to replace him. There is enough money for Raddysh and Broberg plus a backup goalie. It's a decent two year window before you have to sell Drai on the future to stay and Bouchard's next extension."

The cap is still a mess. You're forgetting the bonus money from Connor Brown next season. Once he plays 10 games. The Oilers have a 3.225M cap hit the following season.
With or without Brown. They are tied.

BLOW. IT. UP.
27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 11
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Hawks easily decline. Campbell takes those two 1st's at a minimum just to dump. Connor Brown holds zero value. Tullio and a 3rd doesn't come close to getting Murphy OR Raddysh, let alone both. Take out Murphy and Raddysh to the Oilers and Hawks probably consider it.
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27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 14
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks easily decline. Campbell takes those two 1st's at a minimum just to dump. Connor Brown holds zero value. Tullio and a 3rd doesn't come close to getting Murphy OR Raddysh, let alone both. Take out Murphy and Raddysh to the Oilers and Hawks probably consider it.


Pretty sure Connor Brown is also due a 3m bonus if he plays 10 games. So that makes that an extra easy decline.
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27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 18
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Pretty sure Connor Brown is also due a 3m bonus if he plays 10 games. So that makes that an extra easy decline.


That's correct. But he's gonna get waived to the AHL before that kicks in. So no value. He's just a high priced AHL'er.
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27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 18
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Quoting: BrianCampbell
Pretty sure Connor Brown is also due a 3m bonus if he plays 10 games. So that makes that an extra easy decline.


To me that's an easy waive or mutual termination.
Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks easily decline. Campbell takes those two 1st's at a minimum just to dump. Connor Brown holds zero value. Tullio and a 3rd doesn't come close to getting Murphy OR Raddysh, let alone both. Take out Murphy and Raddysh to the Oilers and Hawks probably consider it.


That's extreme. But if that's your take for Chicago, another rebuilding team would take Campbell for a first. Definitely wouldn't take two firsts.
27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 25
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To me that's an easy waive or mutual termination.

That's extreme. But if that's your take for Chicago, another rebuilding team would take Campbell for a first. Definitely wouldn't take two firsts.


4 years at $5m for a single 1st round pick? Who's taking that? Maybe if it was a guaranteed top 5 pick. Campbell has been wildly inconsistent. He isn't close to worth his contract. And even if that was the case, Hawks still don't trade Murphy and Raddysh for a 1st, a 3rd and Tullio. So it still a decline.
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27 oct. 2023 à 10 h 45
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Gotta think hawks say no
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27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 1
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Step one is replacing Woodcroft
27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 15
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
4 years at $5m for a single 1st round pick? Who's taking that? Maybe if it was a guaranteed top 5 pick. Campbell has been wildly inconsistent. He isn't close to worth his contract. And even if that was the case, Hawks still don't trade Murphy and Raddysh for a 1st, a 3rd and Tullio. So it still a decline.


A team like the Sharks that are borderline horrible would be dumb not to take a guy like Campbell for a 1st round pick. You're not going to be competitive in at least 3 more years anyway. The 5 million will help you get above the cap floor while also being as bad as possible. On top of that, you could just buy him out or bury a lot of his cap hit in the minors. It's literally just a free late first-round pick. Not sure why bottom-feeder teams would be so reluctant but I guess you would know that perspective better.
27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 21
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Vaakanainen is playing better than Kulak right now and isn't tied to a bloated 3 year contract. Easy pass for the Ducks.
27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 51
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Barabanov alone gets a return like that. Lavoie is decent but isn’t much better than Coe, if at all. Gotta say this is a fairly easy pass.
27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 55
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
That's extreme. But if that's your take for Chicago, another rebuilding team would take Campbell for a first. Definitely wouldn't take two firsts.


Good luck sending 4 years 5M for trash goalie somewhere for only a 1st. Hawks don't need him, don't want him, don't have room for him. Phone call over.
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27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 59
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A team like the Sharks that are borderline horrible would be dumb not to take a guy like Campbell for a 1st round pick. You're not going to be competitive in at least 3 more years anyway. The 5 million will help you get above the cap floor while also being as bad as possible. On top of that, you could just buy him out or bury a lot of his cap hit in the minors. It's literally just a free late first-round pick. Not sure why bottom-feeder teams would be so reluctant but I guess you would know that perspective better.


Bailey had 1 year 5M left on his contract and cost a 2nd to move. Campbell has 4 years at that price. If they Oilers want "free cap space" they have to pay for it. Hawks are not a charity organization taking your donations and giving you tax write-offs.
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27 oct. 2023 à 11 h 59
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A team like the Sharks that are borderline horrible would be dumb not to take a guy like Campbell for a 1st round pick. You're not going to be competitive in at least 3 more years anyway. The 5 million will help you get above the cap floor while also being as bad as possible. On top of that, you could just buy him out or bury a lot of his cap hit in the minors. It's literally just a free late first-round pick. Not sure why bottom-feeder teams would be so reluctant but I guess you would know that perspective better.


It's hardly a "free" 1st rounder. Campbell is owed $19.5m in actual salary. And even with the buyout, it's still $15m in real money. $6m for this year and $9m after the buyout. Simply look at history. Patty Marleau took a 1st to dump. One year at $6m. Josh Bailey this past off season. A 2nd for one year at $5m. Campbell is 4 years at $5m. No GM is doing Holland a favor and taking his worst contract off his hands at a discount.
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27 oct. 2023 à 14 h 4
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A team like the Sharks that are borderline horrible would be dumb not to take a guy like Campbell for a 1st round pick. You're not going to be competitive in at least 3 more years anyway. The 5 million will help you get above the cap floor while also being as bad as possible. On top of that, you could just buy him out or bury a lot of his cap hit in the minors. It's literally just a free late first-round pick. Not sure why bottom-feeder teams would be so reluctant but I guess you would know that perspective better.


You aren't understanding the market rate to take on $20M of dead cap space over 4 years if you think it only costs a late 1st to move Soup. Even if the team buys out Soup, they spread the cap penalty even further than 4 years. It's going to cost a late 1st, plus a good prospect for it to make sense to a team. Alternatively, a couple late 1sts or equal value.
28 oct. 2023 à 3 h 11
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To me that's an easy waive or mutual termination.

That's extreme. But if that's your take for Chicago, another rebuilding team would take Campbell for a first. Definitely wouldn't take two firsts.


Only people in Edmonton dont think it would take that to move campbell. the guy cant stop a beach ball and has 3x5M left after this year. You dont retain you pay big time
28 oct. 2023 à 3 h 16
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Only people in Edmonton dont think it would take that to move campbell. the guy cant stop a beach ball and has 3x5M left after this year. You dont retain you pay big time


Cal Peterson, albeit a 3 way deal, ended up more or less costing the Kings a 2nd and B prospect. The first was CBJs for Provorov. Again, a 3 way deal but Kings weren't crippled by a 2 yr goalie contract dump. So, it's not crazy talk as much as everyone wants to act like.
 
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