What does Hertl cost

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Quoting: Bee

You trade for a center but you put him on the wing😂😂😂😂

He's played wing before... Quite a lot actually.

I also mentioned that I see him as interchangeable with Monahan. Monahan has been so effective though that I would not mess with the chemistry the vets are feeling, but I would swap them around if I needed a spark.

Haters gonna hate I guess...

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Quoting: jonh514

He played wings because SJ haved Pavelski, Couture and Thornton as their three centermans.

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24 oct. 2023 à 9 h 51

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He played wings because SJ haved Pavelski, Couture and Thornton as their three centermans.

I'm just saying, I see him like a more consistently healthy Monahan and I love Monahan.

It might take Dach 2-3 years to recover the way it took Markov. We need to hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I would rather have Hertl and be competitive for 4 years than draft a top 10 pick this season (in kind of a crappy draft) and hope we get an effective forward in 3-4 years.

24 oct. 2023 à 9 h 52

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I don't really like the Herlt contract. And i'm 1000% keep Dach even with his injury now.

24 oct. 2023 à 9 h 54

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I don't really like the Herlt contract. And i'm 1000% keep Dach even with his injury now.

No one likes that contract. But that's why he might be available. We need another PPG potential forward to take this team to at least a "pretender" status.

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No one likes that contract. But that's why he might be available. We need another PPG potential forward to take this team to at least a "pretender" status.

I know that, but I certanly trust Hughes to make it happen. Hertl is a player that can fit great on the Habs roster of course, but his contract who end until 2030...... That's little bit too long for me, but I will try something.

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24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 2

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Look at the centers his age with his effectiveness around the league. Miller, Kadri, Horvat, PLD: That's what they earn. In a few years that won't seem like so much money.

Also if they trade Monahan, who will fill that role next season? Newhook? Dach? Beck? None of them is as sure of a thing as Hertl. If Monahan hits 60+ points and they want to resign him, how much do you think he asks for in Salary and what term?

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 6

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I belive teams will be aware to sign Monahan for a long term deal with a high price because of his injuries history. My tough is Monahan will sign a 3-4 years deal with a 4M-4.5M average, but will stay with Montreal.

But one of by prediction is Montreal will sign a free agent like Stamkos for the next season.

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If he stays healthy this year and puts up 0.75ppg, I cannot imagine him accepting that deal.

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If he stays healthy this year and puts up 0.75ppg, I cannot imagine him accepting that deal.

Maybe wanted to be in the Habs process. If he stay with MTL, he will likely sign his contract at the TDL (same situation than Kreider at the 2020 TDL).

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 16

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Good player but his contract is awful, Montreal isn't in a position to be acquiring a guy like Hertl.

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Not sure Hertl would waive to go to Montreal, but if he would I think the offer (with no retention) is likely in the ballpark. The Sharks are pretty loaded up on defense prospects right now, do you have any wingers you could toss in instead of Trudeau?

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Quoting: MisstheWhalers

Good player but his contract is awful, Montreal isn't in a position to be acquiring a guy like Hertl.

You're probably right, but if the Habs don't regress in the next 20-25 games, I would look at a deal like this one.

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 24

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For sure they do. I think Trudeau is the lowest value player in the deal, so if the rest looks right, I am sure this deal closes with a different player or a pick in place of Trudeau.

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 36

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As a Sharks fan, nothing wows me here except the 1st.
Especially since we don't need to trade Hertl. He's a fan favorite, but I would hope we would do this trade so the fans would riot and we could get rid of Grier and Quinn.

Value wise it's close though, but we don't need Dvorak. He's a cap dump to us. To anyone I'd imagine.

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I would hardly call a 0.51ppg 3rd line center a cap dump. He's consistently good in the faceoff dot and brings consistent offence. As I said, he should earn 3.25M but he earns 4.45M so he's not a great value or anything, but for a team like the Sharks, who will be bottom feeding for a few seasons, you have to ice someone right?

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 43

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Quoting: goodfella

What are your comparables for Hertl in terms of trade value? Horvat? PLD? Fiala?

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He's overpaid and the sharks have Sturm. You're moving him because of the cap hit, not the value.
He wouldn't be .5 ppg on the Sharks either. Dude, we don't even have a win this year.

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 49

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He's overpaid and the sharks have Sturm. You're moving him because of the cap hit, not the value.
He wouldn't be .5 ppg on the Sharks either. Dude, we don't even have a win this year.

So why do you want to ride out Hertl's prime years?

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 51

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What are your comparables for Hertl in terms of trade value? Horvat? PLD? Fiala?

I think the Sharks would be looking for a 1st and a great prospect.
I don't see it in that package.

Are you guys really going to be buying now? I figured next year.

24 oct. 2023 à 10 h 53

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So why do you want to ride out Hertl's prime years?

He's the only positive the Sharks have this year except for a couple rookies Quinn benches or misuses.

Benning is arguably are top RD and we're subsidizing two teams in the Eastern conference. We're about to subsidize another at the TDL.

Full marks btw for NOT doing retention. That's not a joke either, I'm serious.

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Quoting: goodfella

I think the Sharks would be looking for a 1st and a great prospect.
I don't see it in that package.

Are you guys really going to be buying now? I figured next year.

Probably not buying this year. Maybe in the offseason. But in the early season craziness with 7 of 10 points, it's fun to dream.

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