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Dobson

Créé par: Ross_Johnston
Équipe: 2023-24 Islanders de New York
Date de création initiale: 12 oct. 2023
Publié: 12 oct. 2023
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12 oct. 2023 à 12 h 57
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Quoting: Fran615
Again, no one was saying that 2 years ago with Dobson.
You seem to forget that they have exactly 2 year apart and have almost identical offensive stats when they were playing at 20 years old.


Quoting: Fran615
Again, no one was saying that 2 years ago with Dobson.
You seem to forget that they have exactly 2 year apart and have almost identical offensive stats when they were playing at 20 years old.


Let’s see Guhle drop a 50 pt season this year with good offensive metrics
12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 1
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Dobson: born January 2000.
Guhle: born January 2002.

Dobson @ 20 years old: 46GP 3G 11A 14P.
Guhle @ 20 years old: 44GP 4G 14A 18P.

A real GM would take into consideration... age.

Is Dobson better TODAY? Yes.
Was Dobson better than Guhle 2 years ago? No.

Do Habs want to win TODAY? No.
In 2 years? Yes.
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12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 3
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Quoting: Db1899
Dobson is a better skater than Guhle . Hits don’t matter.


Guhle is better at 5v5 defense. Dobson is a better passer, shooter, transition player , penalty killer, PP etc…


Better skater than Guhle?

Alright, with all due respect, I understand now. You don't really know Guhle.
He is a FANTASTIC skater, almost unreal.
And hits don't matter? Ahhhh ok.

And everything you keep saying about Dobson... without mentioning the 2 full seasons difference..................

Cheers mate!
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12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 8
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Quoting: Fran615
Better skater than Guhle?

Alright, with all due respect, I understand now. You don't really know Guhle.
He is a FANTASTIC skater, almost unreal.
And hits don't matter? Ahhhh ok.

And everything you keep saying about Dobson... without mentioning the 2 full seasons difference..................

Cheers mate!


Montreal loves to hype up young D players who can skate and hit…Romanov can skate and hit and he sucks
12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 11
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Quoting: Db1899
Matheson and reinbacher are the only two D that fit the “two way D” mold .


Guhle was on nearly a half ppg pace last year, Mailloux is known for his offense and bone crushing hits but management are working with him to develop the defensive side as well to convert him to more of a 2 way player. Your right, I threw in Kovacevic, Xhekaj and Harris who are mostly defensive dmen but they are also big and mobile. I guess I should have said mostly big, mobile 2 way D men lol. I also forgot to include Engstrom in the grouping too. My point is the Habs are looking for specific types of D men who excel I'm multiple facets of the game not just 1 dimensional (Hutson was the outlier not the norm for management)
12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 11
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Quoting: Db1899
Montreal loves to hype up young D players who can skate and hit…Romanov can skate and hit and he sucks


I agree with you.
Tht's why we shipped it to you guys.

Anyway, I think we both agree. Dobson is a helluva player.
Let's see what Guhle will look like in 2 years.

Cheers buddy, and have a good season!
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12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 13
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Quoting: Campabee
Guhle was on nearly a half ppg pace last year, Mailloux is known for his offense and bone crushing hits but management are working with him to develop the defensive side as well to convert him to more of a 2 way player. Your right, I threw in Kovacevic, Xhekaj and Harris who are mostly defensive dmen but they are also big and mobile. I guess I should have said mostly big, mobile 2 way D men lol. I also forgot to include Engstrom in the grouping too. My point is the Habs are looking for specific types of D men who excel I'm multiple facets of the game not just 1 dimensional (Hutson was the outlier not the norm for management)


Hutson is from another planet
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12 oct. 2023 à 13 h 21
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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
MTL DECLINES?? WHAT lmao


guhle is a corner stone in Montreal rebuild they love him and what he bring to the game, and Bogdan Konyushkov is a no. 1 defenseman at age 20 in the KHL
12 oct. 2023 à 15 h 9
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Quoting: Campabee
Dobson is a great young offensive D man but that isn't what Montreal is doing with their defense. Take a look at what their D men look like Guhle, Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron, Xhekaj, Matheson, Kovacevic all big, mobile, 2 way D men hell even Harris and Konyushkov are just under 6' but their play styles and hockey IQ make up for being slightly on the smaller side. Hutson is our only D prospect taken in the last 3 years who doesn't really fit that mold.


Dobson is literally a big, mobile, two way defenceman
13 oct. 2023 à 14 h 26
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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
MTL DECLINES?? WHAT lmao


Casual

We have reinbacher on the right and bogdan is going crazy in the khl, we dont need dobson. Ghule is crazy underrated.
13 oct. 2023 à 18 h 5
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Quoting: patnaisnyquil
Casual

We have reinbacher on the right and bogdan is going crazy in the khl, we dont need dobson. Ghule is crazy underrated.


Guhle is literally a B+ prospect habs fans are delusional. Hyping him up is typical fan base delusion its not even worth my time. Dobson is a prove elite defenseman at a premium position. Bogdan's sample size is way too small and a 3rd means nothing. Right side of Reinbacher-Dobson is insane. Much easier to fill the left side
14 oct. 2023 à 9 h 4
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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
Guhle is literally a B+ prospect habs fans are delusional. Hyping him up is typical fan base delusion its not even worth my time. Dobson is a prove elite defenseman at a premium position. Bogdan's sample size is way too small and a 3rd means nothing. Right side of Reinbacher-Dobson is insane. Much easier to fill the left side


Then why are you trading dobson for a "B+ prospect" (whatever that means this isnt chel buddy), a 3rd who "means nothing" and bogdan who has a "small sample size". I CAN WRITE IN CAP LOCKS TOO AND IT DOESNT CHANGE **** YOUR TRADE IS ASS
14 oct. 2023 à 9 h 59
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Quoting: patnaisnyquil
Then why are you trading dobson for a "B+ prospect" (whatever that means this isnt chel buddy), a 3rd who "means nothing" and bogdan who has a "small sample size". I CAN WRITE IN CAP LOCKS TOO AND IT DOESNT CHANGE **** YOUR TRADE IS ASS


islanders easillllly say no to this lmao. We have five guys on the left side this makes zero sense. Ill venmo you $10000 to show me where i said nyi does this!
15 oct. 2023 à 11 h 25
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Quoting: Db1899
Montreal loves to hype up young D players who can skate and hit…Romanov can skate and hit and he sucks


Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
Guhle is literally a B+ prospect habs fans are delusional. Hyping him up is typical fan base delusion its not even worth my time. Dobson is a prove elite defenseman at a premium position. Bogdan's sample size is way too small and a 3rd means nothing. Right side of Reinbacher-Dobson is insane. Much easier to fill the left side


KaidenGuhle is closer to a Jake Sanderson than a Mickey Anderson or Mattias Samuelsson

Btw Romanov was a #5 dman with top 4 potential when he was playing in MTL. Guhle is MTL #2 defenseman being Mike Matheson. Romanov doesn’t even have half the skating of Guhle and hockey IQ.
15 oct. 2023 à 16 h 22
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KaidenGuhle is closer to a Jake Sanderson than a Mickey Anderson or Mattias Samuelsson

Btw Romanov was a #5 dman with top 4 potential when he was playing in MTL. Guhle is MTL #2 defenseman being Mike Matheson. Romanov doesn’t even have half the skating of Guhle and hockey IQ.


All i ever hear about Guhle is the word intangible and other traits that cannot be quantitatively measured lol. When he starts producing ill listen.

I have no doubt he will be a great 2LD behind Hutson tho

When I look at prospects, i look at what they need to improve on and what theyre good at. Its much harder to teach someone who is average at everything to be elite (Guhle) than it is to teach someone who is elite in some areas but needs maturing in others (Hutson)

MTL has a great future at LD, and I recommend hyping up the Reinbachers and Hutsons instead of Guhle's and Bogdans
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15 oct. 2023 à 21 h 52
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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
All i ever hear about Guhle is the word intangible and other traits that cannot be quantitatively measured lol. When he starts producing ill listen.

I have no doubt he will be a great 2LD behind Hutson tho

When I look at prospects, i look at what they need to improve on and what theyre good at. Its much harder to teach someone who is average at everything to be elite (Guhle) than it is to teach someone who is elite in some areas but needs maturing in others (Hutson)

MTL has a great future at LD, and I recommend hyping up the Reinbachers and Hutsons instead of Guhle's and Bogdans


Guhle can play though minutes and win puck battles. He got good speed, good passes & good IQ. He outboxed opponents in front of the net as well. Yes Lane Hutson is insane offensively, but you can’t ask him to play 25 minutes a night when he won’t be able to defend well in his own zone. Guhle won’t be a 50 points dman, but if he does everything right when he’s on the ice, then he could be a top pairing dman.

Guhle could be a better version of Adam Pelech, while we hope we have a Quinn Hughes in Lane Hutson. Reinbacher will probably be a Mattias Ehkolm but right handed, and we will see for Mailloux. Lots of things he gotta work on but he’s got the tools
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