Quoting: turtlemountain
I wasn’t accusing you of anything, I just figured that the argument you were making was so absurd that you were just messing around.
We can all contort advanced stats any way we want to fit a narrative but it you manage to contort it in a way where you are comparing Cale Makar to Evan Bouchard, you aren’t acting in good faith lmao.
Quoting: OilednGreasy
All I did was put a link to their on ice numbers last season at 5v5 per 60 minutes of ice. The best way to compare players eliminating special teams , and TOI or games played differences. No contortion. If I were including special teams then Bouchards on ice numbers are even better.
But my original point and why I compared ALL the RD was that the Oilers are deeper at the position, so an Elite centre is probably more important to the team then another RD even if it is Makar, whom they can't afford.
Depth is not expressed in comparing one player to another or 2 to 2. You said Makar/Manson are better than Bouchard/Ceci contorting the argument away from depth, because again the Oilers also have Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey. Who do the Avs have after Makar and Manson?
Yes Makar is better than Bouchard. The numbers I referenced show that still, but that isn't the argument and wasn't mine.
Please, if you want to argue at least take into account the premise, and everything the other person has said
But here you want mess around
Makar vs Bouchard All Strengths notice Makar starts and gets more faceoffs in the offensive zone, so is sheltered more.
Get rid of per 60, they were close in TOI https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8480803&p2=8480069&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
Total offence 5v5
Makar vs Bouchard 5v5 offence but Bouchard played more 5v5
So, per 60
Makar vs Bouchard/60 5v5 offence
PP Totals
Makar vs Bouchard PP on ice Makar vs Bouchard PP offence notice Makar has more TOI in less games, sheltered again. But Makar did have more PK too
So,
Makar vs Bouchard/60 PK on ice wonder which team had better goaltending.
Who were they most paired with last season; Toews/Makar, and rookie Broberg/Bouchard
What does all this mean? I don't care. Because my argument was Drai can't be compared to Makar, but IMO the Oilers would be worse without Leon and with Makar than vice versa