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We should not sign Pinto if we can not make a fair trade for Ottawa

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Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 22 sept. 2023
Publié: 22 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Any leverage that other teams have on us should be projected on to Pinto.


If we can not sign Pinto before December because other teams don't want to make fair trades with us, then so be it.
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22 sept. 2023 à 13 h 36
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"Fair value" tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy

Hate to break it to you, but NHL GMs are trying to get at the best deal possible for their team... They won't ever give another team a break
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22 sept. 2023 à 13 h 38
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And you think Pinto will be happy to not play for a year just because his gm prefered to sign Tarasenko.
22 sept. 2023 à 13 h 59
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The problem is Shane Pinto is needed.

He's an important part of the depth at center. If Norris goes down, who ya got? Greig, which looks decent, but is also injury prone due to his physical game. We making the playoffs with Kastelic as our 2C?

When you evaluate "fair value", you also need to consider cap space gained and the addition of Pinto.

We let Pinto sit a year, he'll probably request a trade before next season, and then good luck getting fair value for him.
22 sept. 2023 à 14 h 2
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Quoting: AnonymousSensFan
The problem is Shane Pinto is needed.

He's an important part of the depth at center. If Norris goes down, who ya got? Greig, which looks decent, but is also injury prone due to his physical game. We making the playoffs with Kastelic as our 2C?

When you evaluate "fair value", you also need to consider cap space gained and the addition of Pinto.

We let Pinto sit a year, he'll probably request a trade before next season, and then good luck getting fair value for him.


If Norris goes down, we see how long he can stay on LTIR for.

Then we see if we can sign Pinto.
22 sept. 2023 à 14 h 10
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If Norris goes down, we see how long he can stay on LTIR for.

Then we see if we can sign Pinto.


If that's past December 1st you can't
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22 sept. 2023 à 14 h 12
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If Norris goes down, we see how long he can stay on LTIR for.

Then we see if we can sign Pinto.


What if he goes down after December 1st?

Or he goes down, but will be back in 2 months? If you sign Pinto then, you have even less leverage to dump a contract when Norris comes back.

Without Pinto, we have no backups at center. Kiss playoff hopes goodbye. Because we didn't want a 3rd instead of a 2nd for Brannstrom, or Kubalik, or had give away a second for Joseph?
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22 sept. 2023 à 14 h 18
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
"Fair value" tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy

Hate to break it to you, but NHL GMs are trying to get at the best deal possible for their team... They won't ever give another team a break


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If that's past December 1st you can't


Quoting: AnonymousSensFan
What if he goes down after December 1st?

Or he goes down, but will be back in 2 months? If you sign Pinto then, you have even less leverage to dump a contract when Norris comes back.

Without Pinto, we have no backups at center. Kiss playoff hopes goodbye. Because we didn't want a 3rd instead of a 2nd for Brannstrom, or Kubalik, or had give away a second for Joseph?


FWIW, I'm pretty open minded as to what a fair trade would be for Ottawa.

There are 31 other teams to trade with and we only need to trade with 1.
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22 sept. 2023 à 14 h 25
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FWIW, I'm pretty open minded as to what a fair trade would be for Ottawa.

There are 31 other teams to trade with and we only need to trade with 1.


And? Teams won't take sweetheart deals out of "the good of their heart" bc they are being paid to win a cup
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22 sept. 2023 à 16 h 40
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I suggest let's be patient a little bit more.

I mean, Dorion can't be THAT stupid. He must have known things we don't know about when he signed Tarasenko and Korpisalo...

No? I mean, does he????
 
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