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Circus in Toronto

Créé par: HShockey
Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 10 sept. 2023
Publié: 10 sept. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
12 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Mazur, Carter
  2. Perron, David (1 860 000 $ retained)
  3. Sandin Pellikka, Axel [Liste de réserve]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DET)
Détails additionnels:
The Red Wings add another bonafide star to speed up the rebuild, adding a player who would off the bat, become their best player dealing 2 good prospects, a 1st, 2nd and pending FA.
DET
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Voit, Ty
Détails additionnels:
Leafs add draft capital which can be used in other deals, two top prospects and a solid veteran
2.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (COL)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (COL)
3.
TOR
  1. DeMelo, Dylan (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Scheifele, Mark (3 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
THIRD TEAM RETAINS ON DEMELO
WPG
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. Lafferty, Sam
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DET)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
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Logo de NYI
Logo de TOR
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Logo de CHI
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de OTT
2025
Logo de COL
Logo de TOR
Logo de CHI
Logo de COL
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
2026
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
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Logo de TOR
Logo de TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $83 496 584 $0 $0 $3 416 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
2 890 000 $2 890 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 400 000 $2 400 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 550 000 $3 550 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
766 667 $766 667 $
G
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
875 000 $875 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
G
UFA - 1

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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 24
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That Detroit offer is laughable. That's a massive overpayment for Nylander. No chance in hell would we do that. Nylander is a good player, top 20 winger in the league maybe. But he's not worth half of that to us.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 28
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We don't need to "speed up the rebuild", Yzerman is building for the long term and both Mazur & Sandin-Pellikka should be part of it.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 29
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When’s the last time a pending UFA got that much in return?
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 32
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There is not a single team that would give up those kinds of assets for a rental.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 36
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Also Nylander isn't better overall player than Larkin. So that statement is mute.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 38
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So essentially 2 1st round picks, a top.prospect, a 2nd and a veteran how is helping the team get more professional will pitching in with goals for a pending free agent who can walk becuas there is no way Yzerman is giving him 10 million.

This is what is called totally ludicrous. He is good but not sure he is worth all that.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 46
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Certainly a circus happening wherever you live.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 47
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Nylander is not getting that return for all the reasons listed above and for this big one:

This dude had the longest hold-out in the cap era. His dad is one of the most well-documented helicopter parents in sports. There's no guarantee that if he gets dealt to a team he doesn't like that he'll even play. You can say I'm over-exaggerating things, but I have to imagine this is a serious concern for some GMs.
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10 sept. 2023 à 11 h 56
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The Jets aren't giving DeMelo and Scheifele away for nothing. It's not realistic.
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10 sept. 2023 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: Windjammer
The Jets aren't giving DeMelo and Scheifele away for nothing. It's not realistic.


Yikes I didn't even make it down to that trade. That's one of those trades that will piss off both winnepeg and toronto fans. There's nothing of substance in return for two good players, and yet I guarantee you most toronto fans don't want those two players.
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10 sept. 2023 à 12 h 19
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Avs decline
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10 sept. 2023 à 12 h 27
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Quoting: Shaquille_Oatmeal
We don't need to "speed up the rebuild", Yzerman is building for the long term and both Mazur & Sandin-Pellikka should be part of it.


Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio
There is not a single team that would give up those kinds of assets for a rental.


Quoting: mikearky
So essentially 2 1st round picks, a top.prospect, a 2nd and a veteran how is helping the team get more professional will pitching in with goals for a pending free agent who can walk becuas there is no way Yzerman is giving him 10 million.

This is what is called totally ludicrous. He is good but not sure he is worth all that.


Quoting: Lancebmx
That Detroit offer is laughable. That's a massive overpayment for Nylander. No chance in hell would we do that. Nylander is a good player, top 20 winger in the league maybe. But he's not worth half of that to us.


Quoting: Shaquille_Oatmeal
We don't need to "speed up the rebuild", Yzerman is building for the long term and both Mazur & Sandin-Pellikka should be part of it.


Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio
There is not a single team that would give up those kinds of assets for a rental.


Quoting: mikearky
So essentially 2 1st round picks, a top.prospect, a 2nd and a veteran how is helping the team get more professional will pitching in with goals for a pending free agent who can walk becuas there is no way Yzerman is giving him 10 million.

This is what is called totally ludicrous. He is good but not sure he is worth all that.


Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.
10 sept. 2023 à 12 h 39
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Modifié 10 sept. 2023 à 12 h 54
Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


The Wings are not building like Toronto. They don’t have the Matthews and Marner players and don’t have multiple 10 million dollar contracts.

Those pieces are going to help the overall depth of the team. Mazur looks to be at worst a middle 6 (although not a guarantee as he could end up top 6), ASP slots in behind Seider for a 1-2 on the right side that should be fantastic. Another 1st and a second added on, and DP and his playoff experience plus retention, too much.
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10 sept. 2023 à 12 h 44
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Because it doesn't make sense? Nylander won't be "franchise altering" when he is 31 and this team is 1) in cap hell with his $10+M contract and 2) when this team is actually competing. Also franchise altering is a stretch, he's a good offensive player on a good offensive team. I'm sure he's ppg player on almost any team I would bet. He's not good defensively and I'm sure Detroit would rather have the younger, cheaper and longer years of those prospects traded away. Nylander doesn't instantly turn is into a contender whereas those young players traded away have a better chance of doing so.
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10 sept. 2023 à 13 h 8
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Franchise altering sure is a rose-colored way of looking at a player who has been over a PPG once despite being a notably one-dimensional forward.
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10 sept. 2023 à 13 h 45
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This is interesting. The Leafs gets the bank for Nylander, a non retained pending UFA. The Jets on the other hand get peanuts for Scheifele and Demelo, two pending UFAs max retained.
This is a case of serious homerism, all in one ACGM, kind of like the textbook definition.
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10 sept. 2023 à 13 h 49
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Again, any smart GM would have SERIOUS concerns about getting an extension done with Nylander. That's the huge issue here. The last two seasons statistically are showing Nylander trending in the right direction. He would likely be the 2nd best player on many teams in this league. But that's all a moot point if a GM isn't confident he will sign an extension. And again, who's to say he he won't sit out if he or Michael doesn't like where he is traded?
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10 sept. 2023 à 14 h 8
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Yzerman won't pay Nylander what he wants so 1 year of Nylander is not worth any thing close to that. DeBrincat has more goals in less games than Nylander and DeBrincat got $7.8M.
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10 sept. 2023 à 14 h 11
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All teams not called TOR decline.
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10 sept. 2023 à 17 h 16
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