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What is the value for Novak

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Date de création initiale: 24 août 2023
Publié: 24 août 2023
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24 août 2023 à 15 h 0
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is he a ufa at the end of his deal? just curious. not sure what is value is but I thought Nashville might move him last year when he had a couple years of term
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is he a ufa at the end of his deal? just curious. not sure what is value is but I thought Nashville might move him last year when he had a couple years of term


Yeah UFA, that's why I'm interested. If he was an RFA his value would be way too high at that cap hit but interested since he's a UFA
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24 août 2023 à 15 h 10
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If Nashville were to move him, theyd probably want a 1st plus best prospect they can get (probably Cish level).

Dont know why they'd move him though... out of the centers they have on the team, Novak was far and away the most productive. The only one that paced at above 50 points per full season.
24 août 2023 à 15 h 18
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Not a lot, dude is literally running the jeannot career path. Hits a massive shooting % spike with great on ice luck (pdo, on is shooting%/save%) and super soft zone starts.
Unless nashville can find another sucker, they're better off holding on to him
24 août 2023 à 15 h 19
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If Nashville were to move him, theyd probably want a 1st plus best prospect they can get (probably Cish level).

Dont know why they'd move him though... out of the centers they have on the team, Novak was far and away the most productive. The only one that paced at above 50 points per full season.


Because he's a pending UFA and in their situation I think it's best to cash in now at his highest value
24 août 2023 à 15 h 24
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It would definitely take a 1st+, but I can't see NSH having interest in any of the other pieces you're offering here. TOR's lack of prospects hurts them, if they're trying to outbid other teams.
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24 août 2023 à 15 h 55
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Not a lot, dude is literally running the jeannot career path. Hits a massive shooting % spike with great on ice luck (pdo, on is shooting%/save%) and super soft zone starts.
Unless nashville can find another sucker, they're better off holding on to him


Yeah, and we all saw what Jeannot got us. If he's scoring at a 50pt pace by the TDL while making 800k it's safe to assume he can get us a decent return.
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24 août 2023 à 16 h 47
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This guy is the perfect example of what the leafs aren't looking for. He makes willie look like the hulk in the physical department, leafs aren't looking for soft players. Trev is looking for guys with grit.
24 août 2023 à 17 h 19
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If Nashville were to move him, theyd probably want a 1st plus best prospect they can get (probably Cish level).

Dont know why they'd move him though... out of the centers they have on the team, Novak was far and away the most productive. The only one that paced at above 50 points per full season.


Probably what he'd get if flipped before the start of the season. At TDL, I'd say a 2nd and Jarnkrok/C tier prospect.
24 août 2023 à 17 h 32
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Not a lot, dude is literally running the jeannot career path. Hits a massive shooting % spike with great on ice luck (pdo, on is shooting%/save%) and super soft zone starts.
Unless nashville can find another sucker, they're better off holding on to him


No way he repeats his 20% shooting% but he has solid offensive instincts so with some wings that can score no reason he still cant be a 50ish point player.

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Probably what he'd get if flipped before the start of the season. At TDL, I'd say a 2nd and Jarnkrok/C tier prospect.


Idk. If he paces for 40 - 50 points, his caphit could literally land him on any team with ease. I could still see a 1st and low tier prospect.
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24 août 2023 à 18 h 47
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This guy is the perfect example of what the leafs aren't looking for. He makes willie look like the hulk in the physical department, leafs aren't looking for woke type players. Trev is looking for guys with grit.


People are still just randomly throwing the word woke around without any sort of context, for things they don't like, huh? What does that even mean in a hockey context? Are Leafs players going to get benched if they're not quoting Jordan Peterson enough every game?
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People are still just randomly throwing the word woke around without any sort of context, for things they don't like, huh? What does that even mean in a hockey context? Are Leafs players going to get benched if they're not quoting Jordan Peterson enough every game?


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Soft as butter. would rather do his nails than be at the rink


Lmao. In that case, stay woke kid.
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Soft as butter. would rather do his nails than be at the rink


what does this even mean
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Not a lot, dude is literally running the jeannot career path. Hits a massive shooting % spike with great on ice luck (pdo, on is shooting%/save%) and super soft zone starts.
Unless nashville can find another sucker, they're better off holding on to him

Jeannot was a lucky shot, Novak's points come mostly from assists. He does a great job driving the play and that shouldn't go away. He likely scores less than the 60+ pts he was on pace for, but he's still a solid 50 pt, middle 6 center on a bargain contract.

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This guy is the perfect example of what the leafs aren't looking for. He makes willie look like the hulk in the physical department, leafs aren't looking for woke type players. Trev is looking for guys with grit.


Where's all this hate for Novak coming from? And wth does "woke type players" even mean?? You're just throwing crap like this around for no reason. So what, he's not physical, but that's no reason to hate on him. He's only on 800k, the fact that he can put up 50 pts is good enough for me.
According to the Oxford Dictionary, woke means: "aware of social and political issues, especially racism This word is often used in a disapproving way by people who think that some other people are too easily upset about these issues, or talk too much about them in a way that does not change anything". No relation to one's playing style. If you just stuck with soft, fine, but this makes you look like a bozo.
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25 août 2023 à 9 h 12
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Jeannot was a lucky shot, Novak's points come mostly from assists. He does a great job driving the play and that shouldn't go away. He likely scores less than the 60+ pts he was on pace for, but he's still a solid 50 pt, middle 6 center on a bargain contract.

Where's all this hate for Novak coming from? And wth does "woke type players" even mean?? You're just throwing crap like this around for no reason. So what, he's not physical, but that's no reason to hate on him. He's only on 800k, the fact that he can put up 50 pts is good enough for me.
According to the Oxford Dictionary, woke means: "aware of social and political issues, especially racism This word is often used in a disapproving way by people who think that some other people are too easily upset about these issues, or talk too much about them in a way that does not change anything". No relation to one's playing style. If you just stuck with soft, fine, but this makes you look like a bozo.


Except that Novak has the same inflated total issue that Jeanott had even if he's tilted more towards assists. He had both lucky personal shooting (18%) and lucky linemate shooting (13%) when league average is 9ish % combined with a very high PDO and 75% offensive zone starts. He's like Jeanott in that everything was coming up Milhouse right when he hit "prime" age for offensive production.
Is there a chance that is, at least a representation of who he is as a player? Sure, but he's not the kind of guy any team should shell out decent value for in a trade
25 août 2023 à 10 h 0
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Except that Novak has the same inflated total issue that Jeanott had even if he's tilted more towards assists. He had both lucky personal shooting (18%) and lucky linemate shooting (13%) when league average is 9ish % combined with a very high PDO and 75% offensive zone starts. He's like Jeanott in that everything was coming up Milhouse right when he hit "prime" age for offensive production.
Is there a chance that is, at least a representation of who he is as a player? Sure, but he's not the kind of guy any team should shell out decent value for in a trade


His line mates shooting% being a few higher is a really weird argument to devalue him as if he wasn't the reason Evang and Sherwood were producing in the first place.
Offensive zone start% is also weird and I feel like you just shoehorned that in there for the sake of an argument. Players start more on the fly anyway.
He was shooting at a high 18% but he is more of a playmaker than he is a natural shooter. If his % falls and his goal totals lessen he'll still be collecting points as a passer.

We got an entire draft class for Jeannot the season AFTER his % slumped back down to earth and managed to secure a 2nd for a catastrophe Granlund making a whopping 5m scoring at 3rd line rates.
It's very obvious GM's think a lot different than fans on CF do. We can just continue to pad his zone starts (if that means anything) and give him easier roles to jack up his stats and let a shmuck GM overpay for him at the TDL.

It doesn't have to be Toronto, and it doesn't have to be a Meier type return, but suggesting we can't get a decent haul for him if he's producing well in the top 6 is silly. Probably a 2nd+. It's going to depend on how Brunette utilizes him.
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25 août 2023 à 10 h 7
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His line mates shooting% being a few higher is a really weird argument to devalue him as if he wasn't the reason Evang and Sherwood were producing in the first place.
Offensive zone start% is also weird and I feel like you just shoehorned that in there for the sake of an argument. Players start more on the fly anyway.
He was shooting at a high 18% but he is more of a playmaker than he is a natural shooter. If his % falls and his goal totals lessen he'll still be collecting points as a passer.

We got an entire draft class for Jeannot the season AFTER his % slumped back down to earth and managed to secure a 2nd for a catastrophe Granlund making a whopping 5m scoring at 3rd line rates.
It's very obvious GM's think a lot different than fans on CF do. We can just continue to pad his zone starts (if that means anything) and give him easier roles to jack up his stats and let a shmuck GM overpay for him at the TDL.

It doesn't have to be Toronto, and it doesn't have to be a Meier type return, but suggesting we can't get a decent haul for him if he's producing well in the top 6 is silly. Probably a 2nd+. It's going to depend on how Brunette utilizes him.


If it was one or two things you might be right, but like i said this kid had every single bounce last season and most of them arnt likely to continue and his numbers will more than likely drop in a very noticeable way.

I also never said he wont get a haul, i mean we all know how badly tampa got suckered before and theres always a sucker gm out there, im saying no one should give up anything significant for him because at this point 21/22 novak is likely to be what he is as a player as last year is
 
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