Draisaitl wouldn't put up close to as many points if he didn't spend so much time with McDavid. He's a good player but McDavid is on the ice for the majority of his points. I would wager the vast majority. You can make an argument that MacKinnon is better but it's a toss up. Matthews is a better goal scorer and better defensively. MacKinnon is more explosive.

Matthews scores more goals than draisalt because he shots the puck more his S% is like 12% draisiaitl is 21% also that argument is like 5 years old if anything draisaitl makes McDavid better also didn’t nuge just have 100 pt season playing on draisaitl line

You honestly believe if by a miracle JBB wakes up tomorrow convinces Kucherov to waive his NMC and becomes available teams wouldn't be throwing ungodly assets to acquire him you're either clueless, higher than a satellite, or purposely lying .

Draisaitl in the last 2 seasons has 107 goals on 525 shots

Matthews in the last 2 seasons 100 goals on 675 shots

Draisaitl is arguably a better goal scorer

Nope, Nuge got over 50% of his points on the PP with McDavid. Draisaitl also gets huge portion of his points on the PP and plays over a 3rd of his 5v5 ice time with McDavid. I may just do a deep dive into all his points last year just to see how many came with McDavid on the ice.

the point is not that kucherov is not valuable. your missing things entirely. the point is that maybe there is 10 players more valuable, which for some reason you have a hard time coping with .

I understand but utterly disagree their aren't FULL STOP IM NOT DUMB ENOUGH THAT I CAN'T FOLLOW YOUR FIRST GRADE LOGIC

sure, but its hard know what yo understand or not. like its also a simple concept that age affect value a lot and it seems you dont grasp it. 20 years of bedard (macdavid like prospect) is worth more than 8 years of kucherov.

He just turned 30 he's 2years older than MacKinnon at 3million plus less signed for 4more years. Yeah and Nail Yakapov was that sam thing until he plays at least 1 NHL game I'm not agreeing any player in that situation is more valuable really .

Yakupov was nowhere near the level of prospect Bedard was

sure he is 2 years older, but this 2 years matters and and center is a more valued positions than wingers, even though they produced similar amount of points. and no one comapared yakupov to a generational talent, you are missing the point. bedard had better stats than the best player in the world.

You keep saying I miss the point I'm not I just completely disagree with your assessment you're wrong.

well i hear you that you say i'm wrong, your just not giving a lot of compelling argument to show me otherwise. you cant compared bedard and yakupov and expect someone to say that this is a comparision that makes sense just because they played no game in the nhl at some point. is everybody worthless before you play the nhl? what is even's bedard value to your eyes, i cant even understand that.

Pastrnak, J.Robertson, Kaprizov should be on this list over Bedard, Stutzle, and Thompson.

Let Bedard play one game before putting him on this.
Stutzle and Thompson haven't hit 100pts in a season or even take their teams to the playoffs yet.

Yes, goals are valuable. But Matthews is a goal scorer (sniper) that is what he is paid to do. To compare him to Mcdavid is ridiculous, McDavid isn't known for a being a sniper and still almost has as many goals as him. Why don't you compare points, or assists? because then we would see the real reason... but doesn't fit your narrative, right? Also, yes let's ask Washington because Ovie is the best goal scorer to ever play the game and he still isn't close to making as much as Matthews. So, thank you for further proving he is over paid.

The only thing I'm comparing between the 2 is that the logic behind saying Matthews isn't valuable just doesn't fit. McDavid is the best player in the league there is zero doubt behind that. When he gets his new contract it will be well north of 16 million as it should be..... Matthews is wanting around 13 about 3 million off what McDavid is expected to get....... For the amount of goals he scores and his play defensively Matthews is definitely worth that. If you think not you're just a lunatic cause every team in the league would take a 40+ goal scorer who isn't liable in his own end of the ice.


As for the Ovi..... since when is 9.5 million not close to 11.5???? Given Matthews was 21 when he signed is 11.5 deal and Ovi was over 35.

Apparently, the whole reading concept got skipped on you two because again as I have said now 6 times in this thread alone MATTHEWS IS NOT BETTER THAN MCDAVID.... That's not the point I am making. The point I am making is if you're argument is that Matthews is overpaid for what he does because he wants 13 mil on his next contract (which to put into perspective would be about the same % hit as when Crosby when he signed his current 8.787 mil hit and less than Ovis 18.96% contract hit on his 2nd deal.... but that doesn't fit you're narrative now does it? You can't argue facts so I'm not sure why you continue to do it other than you're just that dumb.

Now kindly make like a tree.

Damn you are getting very emotional over Matthews, don't get butthurt. When did I say Matthews isn't valuable? I literally argued that he should be on this list in the Top 10, so stop putting false words into our mouths to try and make your point valid. Also said that any GM would take him over Thompson and Dahlin on this list. Still doesn't mean he isn't over paid. If you are trying to win the cup and paying him $13m then good luck. He is arguably the 5th best player in the league and is major steps behind Mcdavid so why should he get paid more than Mcdavid and Mackinnon? The only person who can't argue facts is you because your only argument was that he scored more goals than Mcdavid so he should be paid similar to him? But Mcdavid literally almost put up double the number of points Matthews did last year... Matthews wasn't even top 20 in the league in points last year and you want to pay him $13m to be the highest paid player in the league...? Say goodbye to Stanley cup hopes and affording anyone else.

Matthews will only be the highest paid player in the league for about 2 seasons until McDavid's contract expires and he is due for a new one. Which if you read is going to probably be around the 16 mil cap hit range. When contracts are staggered as they are here you can't bring into the argument he is getting paid more than McDavid because they signed their contracts at different times. What you have to look at is cap % hit when signed. I know crazy concept right?

So, lets look at it in 2018 when McDavid signed his contract it was 16.67% of the cap hit that season for the Oilers. Cap is projected to go up to about 87-88 mil range next year for when Matthews signs and guess what 13 mil is as a percentage for that? 14.7-14.9%, so 2% less of a cap hit than McDavid. You want t bring Nate MacK into this okay thats fine too. Let's look at his %. It was 15.27% when he signed still more than Matthews projected. Now before making yourself seem even more foolish than you already are I suggest you reread the end of my last post.

MAKE LIKE A TREE.

Bro if McDavid wanted to back in 2018 he could have signed for 15 million 5 years absolute max for minimum years but he didn’t he took a pay cut matthews however didn’t he took the maximum amount he could get with minimum years the point is matthews is overpaid and McDavid is underpaid

HUH? McDavid's contract was literally 16.67% of the Oilers Cap Hit...... I mean yeah sure he could've went the Ovi route and made it closer to 20, but it was the highest percentage and highest paid contract at that time which was....... 5 years ago. Matthews is literally asking for 2% less of a cap % hit, but that's demanding a max contract? Do you even think before you type? Honestly answer that please!

Your whole argument is over cap % but you're using hypothetical numbers for what the cap will be going up too and what he is requesting. There has been rumors for years of the cap making a significant jump, but it still hasn't because of escrow. Also saying he is requesting $13m is out of your ass because majority of people are saying anywhere from $15m. Either way, he isn't worth Mackinnon or Mcdavid numbers or cap %. Real team player requesting more than players that are significantly better than him, then complain that they can't make a deep playoff run.

The 15 mil reports are from over 6 months ago, so doubt much legitimacy is involved in those. Recent rumors are 13.5 AAV range with a total earnings of at least 87.5 mil. I'm not saying he is worth their cap % numbers either, but you'd be a fool to say he isn't an arguable top 5 league talent and he should be paid like a top 5 league talent. If he comes in above 15% then sure you can say he is slightly overpaid, but more than likely he is going to come in just under that which is what he is worth. And the whole argument should be around cap % hit because that is what the value was at at the time of the contract signing....... Like is it that hard to comprehend?