3rd pairing does not work bear will be out for at least the 1st month

Just going to skip past the Pesce portion. Been there, done that. You're going to get Bear at league minimum for 1 year?

Hawks easily decline. Even assuming the Hawks would trade TRad for Bourgault (far from a given), Tullio and a 6th don't come close to covering taking Ceci and retaining $2m on Pesce.

Edmonton declines both trades. But that Chicago trade is absurd! An A prospect + B prospect + legit top-4 defender for a 4th liner and $2M retention?? That's just insane.

The amount of bias in this comment is unreal. Ceci is a top-4 defenseman, Bourgault and Tullio are good prospects and Raddysh scored at 4th line rates last year. This would instantly become one of the worst trades in the history of the NHL.

Then we agree. No deal! Works out for both sides.

Yup. Keep your overrated 4th liner, you aren't getting good prospects and players for him.

God no bear will never be back in edmonton

Hawks fans might value Raddysh more than others, but 20 Goals in the National Hockey League isnt easy. I cant think of a "4th Liner" on any team with 20 G.

Chicago was, and will be brutal again this year. Sure on a deep team Raddysh might slot into a different role, but he has found his scoring touch with Chicago.

Ceci is not a good defensemen let alone a top-4 one

Raddysh is a top 6 guy who provides consistent scoring for the Hawks. Whether he's part of the long term plan remains to be seen, but my guess is the Hawks value him equal to or more than Bourgault right now. Ceci might be a top 4 D for some teams, but on the Hawks he's a 15 min TOI 3rd pair guy who isn't getting PP time. Hawks have drafted 18 forwards in the past two drafts - 7 of them in rounds 1 and 2. Not sure how much value Tullio has in a trade to the Hawks anymore. Just because the Hawks were a bottom 3 team in the league last season, and will most likely be a bottom 5 team again this season, doesn't mean they make a trade that doesn't meet the needs of their rebuild plan. In my opinion, this deal does not. You disagree. No problem.

Pesce won’t waive for Edmonton, so this is moot

He's both. Every NHL team Ceci has played for has slotted him in the top-4. I reckon they know more than you.

Raddysh was 16th among Hawks forwards last year with 1.18 P/60 at 5v5. The only reason his boxcars appear decent is because he got PP time, something that likely wouldn't happen on any other NHL team (and likely won't in Chicago next year either). It's a mirage.

AA scored 30 one time, remember? He wasn't worth a 2 good prospects + a top-4 defenseman either.

Ummm... He hasn't worked out in any of the places that he's been and his analytics suggest he's a sub-par defenseman

He's worked out fine in Edmonton and he's played among the hardest minutes in the league for the past two seasons.

Only 7 defensemen have played more minutes v Elites than Ceci over the past 2 seasons, and among regular defensemen only 4 have played a greater percentage of their ice time v Elites. Many players would drown in that situation but Ceci has posted respectable numbers: 51.55 xGF%, 50.42 SCF% and 53.33 HDCF%.

Over the past two years sure but last year he had a 45% xGF, 3.47 xGA/60, -16.5 eGD, 43% Corsi... those are not good defensive numbers sure some of those numbers are because of the Oilers system and competition but they are still not top-4 material. In comparison, Jalen Chatfield had a 58.4xGF%, 15.9 eGD, 58% Corsi

You kinda just reiterated what I said.. Sure Raddysh slots into a different role on a deeper team. Capitalizing when you do get an opportunity is promising.

You could make the same argument about Ceci, Sure on Edmontons d core he is top 4 but on Team x, y and z he is a bottom pair guy..

Tulio isn’t even a C+ level prospect and I don’t see any value in Bourgault because we already have like 7 guys like him already in the system and Ceci has no longterm value even slightly

And Raddysh is a legit 20 goal scorer, far from a 4th liner

Not sure where you got those numbers from but they're not accurate: NST

50.23 CF%, 2.69 xGA/60, 51.06 xGF%.

Chatfield played sheltered 3rd pairing minutes, you can't compare the two. He also had better stats than Brett Pesce, but for some reason Brind'Amour gave Pesce the hard minutes and Chatfield the easy minutes. Or are you arguing that Pesce isn't a top-4 defenseman either?

1.18 P/60 is 4th line scoring rates.

And Tullio had better 5v5 P/60 than any rookie in the AHL last year, even better than Bourgault. We'll keep him, thanks!

I used Moneypuck and I'm talking about him in all situations not just at 5v5. It's a Rod Brind'Amor system... the defensemen always have the hardest and most important job. And he is in the negatives compared to his teammates when it comes to CF%, GF%

Good because I want to keep Raddysh because he has legit 25-30 goal scorer potential

All Situations? Ceci plays a lot of PK and no PP, using All Situations stats is about the dumbest thing I've come across on this site in a while!

Yeah... I corrected that when I realized he played all PK and no PP and then I realized he has slightly above-average numbers but he looks pretty bad when you compare him to his team mates