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Créé par: Sjohns8888
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 27 juill. 2023
Publié: 27 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Flames offload their top end pending UFAs with retention for a haul. Still a fairly competitive team this year with a good core and get assets for the players who most likely aren’t resigning.

Sign Dumba to a 1 year prove it deal and offload him at the deadline if it’s not working out. Or sign him long term if it’s a good fit.

They can retool quickly and also have a ton of cap available to go shopping in a loaded free agency class.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
14 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Frederic, Trent [Droits de RFA]
  2. Lysell, Fabian
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
BOS
  1. Hanifin, Noah (2 425 000 $ retained)
2.
CGY
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
3.
CGY
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)
COL
  1. Backlund, Mikael (2 675 000 $ retained)
4.
CGY
  1. Boqvist, Adam
  2. Sillinger, Cole
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Lindholm, Elias (2 425 000 $ retained)
  2. Vladar, Daniel
5.
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2024
Logo de CGY
Logo de COL
Logo de CBJ
Logo de PIT
Logo de CGY
Logo de DAL
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2025
Logo de FLA
Logo de BOS
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2026
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $80 826 666 $0 $1 715 000 $2 673 334 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Flames de Calgary
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
863 333 $863 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
825 000 $825 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
813 333 $813 333 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
925 000 $925 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Blue Jackets de Columbus
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
DG
UFA - 1

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27 juill. 2023 à 21 h 37
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If I've learnt anything on here it's that Columbus fans are not going to part with sillinger even though hes buried on their depth charts and they don't have a roster spot for him.
27 juill. 2023 à 21 h 40
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This time has come and gone. The Flames are set to go into this season trying to convince these guys to stay and use them as their own rentals or will offload at the deadline.
27 juill. 2023 à 21 h 42
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Quoting: Shaun80
If I've learnt anything on here it's that Columbus fans are not going to part with sillinger even though hes buried on their depth charts and they don't have a roster spot for him.


He is not really buried. It is just simply the Jackets have too many forwards on the roster with no waiver flexibility.
27 juill. 2023 à 21 h 48
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Quoting: Jacketsman61
He is not really buried. It is just simply the Jackets have too many forwards on the roster with no waiver flexibility.


Lindholm would be a massive upgrade on him. Especially if they could work out an extension. Boqvist is buried and is most likely the odd man out on the backend now and vladar gives you some security in net in case Elvis goes down again.

This move on top of what they did so far in the off-season would make the jackets a solid playoff contender.
27 juill. 2023 à 21 h 49
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Quoting: Jacketsman61
He is not really buried. It is just simply the Jackets have too many forwards on the roster with no waiver flexibility.


Unless you plan on using him on the 4th line he's buried at center or on the wing on your current roster.
27 juill. 2023 à 22 h 3
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Quoting: Shaun80
If I've learnt anything on here it's that Columbus fans are not going to part with sillinger even though hes buried on their depth charts and they don't have a roster spot for him.


if there's anything I've learnes from seven years on CF, its: 1) group think on this site is often different from reality, & 2) unexpected trades happen quite often in real life.

Don't worry about hert feewlings!
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27 juill. 2023 à 22 h 14
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Bruins don’t need left D
27 juill. 2023 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: earl08
if there's anything I've learnes from seven years on CF, its: 1) group think on this site is often different from reality, & 2) unexpected trades happen quite often in real life.

Don't worry about hert feewlings!


"Joined: Jan. 2019" -> The math ain't mathing. You are 100% right though!
27 juill. 2023 à 23 h 50
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Quoting: Jacketsman61
He is not really buried. It is just simply the Jackets have too many forwards on the roster with no waiver flexibility.


Sillinger is also 20 and waivers exempt. He's not buried, he's a young prospect who likely needs seasoning not at the NHL level. That can be solved by simply sending him to the AHL.

Quoting: Sjohns8888
Lindholm would be a massive upgrade on him. Especially if they could work out an extension. Boqvist is buried and is most likely the odd man out on the backend now and vladar gives you some security in net in case Elvis goes down again.

This move on top of what they did so far in the off-season would make the jackets a solid playoff contender.


Lindholm would be a massive upgrade on Sillinger. Boqvist is buried, and could be the odd man out on the back end. Vladar would give some security if Elvis goes down (or Tarasov), in theory. That's missing a ton of context though.

Sillinger still projects to be a top-6 center, and showed flashes of it his first year. It's really unlikely he has a repeat of last season, especially under a competent coach with a new system. If he struggles, he goes to the AHL. If he develops, the ceiling appears to be a Lindholm-like player in a few years, but with more years of team control. Regardless, I actually don't have an issue making him the centerpiece for a Lindholm trade.

Lindholm with an extension severely eats into Columbus' cap situation next year. We've got ~$28M (if the cap goes up $4M) to sign 9 NHL-level RFAs (8 if Sillinger is traded), 2 of whom are already playing in the top 6. Even if those two only get $4M each, there's $20M to sign at least 6 guys before Lindholm, and probably only $12M to sign them after an extension. So now we're shipping prospects out the door to trade for him and losing someone like a Chinakhov or Texier due to cap concerns in all likelihood. There's opportunity cost on top of actual cost.

Boqvist is buried until we end up having to play 7 RD in the NHL like we did last season. Peeke, Blankenburg, or Gudbranson could all (and should all) sit before him anyway.

Vladar, Elvis, and Tarasov are all not waivers exempt, so unless we're carrying 3 goalies, we're risking losing one to waivers. It doesn't make sense when what we really need is a veteran backup on a 2 way deal (or that at least won't get claimed).

And finally, the value of the trade is off. Sillinger, Boqvist would all likely return a 1st in individual trades, so you're asking us to trade the equivalent of 3 1sts for what amounts to one year of a cheap 1B center in a year that we have no business going for it, just so we can extend him to be (if it goes well) an expensive 2C for years 3-8 that doesn't quite fit the window at the cap cost and actual cost of pieces that should be part of that window's core going forward. It doesn't make as much sense if you dig past the surface.

Lindholm would be an upgrade, and Sillinger could absolutely be part of a trade for him, but it's more complex than that and we're not going to overpay for him.
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28 juill. 2023 à 0 h 6
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Quoting: CaseyFlyman
Sillinger is also 20 and waivers exempt. He's not buried, he's a young prospect who likely needs seasoning not at the NHL level. That can be solved by simply sending him to the AHL.



Lindholm would be a massive upgrade on Sillinger. Boqvist is buried, and could be the odd man out on the back end. Vladar would give some security if Elvis goes down (or Tarasov), in theory. That's missing a ton of context though.

Sillinger still projects to be a top-6 center, and showed flashes of it his first year. It's really unlikely he has a repeat of last season, especially under a competent coach with a new system. If he struggles, he goes to the AHL. If he develops, the ceiling appears to be a Lindholm-like player in a few years, but with more years of team control. Regardless, I actually don't have an issue making him the centerpiece for a Lindholm trade.

Lindholm with an extension severely eats into Columbus' cap situation next year. We've got ~$28M (if the cap goes up $4M) to sign 9 NHL-level RFAs (8 if Sillinger is traded), 2 of whom are already playing in the top 6. Even if those two only get $4M each, there's $20M to sign at least 6 guys before Lindholm, and probably only $12M to sign them after an extension. So now we're shipping prospects out the door to trade for him and losing someone like a Chinakhov or Texier due to cap concerns in all likelihood. There's opportunity cost on top of actual cost.

Boqvist is buried until we end up having to play 7 RD in the NHL like we did last season. Peeke, Blankenburg, or Gudbranson could all (and should all) sit before him anyway.

Vladar, Elvis, and Tarasov are all not waivers exempt, so unless we're carrying 3 goalies, we're risking losing one to waivers. It doesn't make sense when what we really need is a veteran backup on a 2 way deal (or that at least won't get claimed).

And finally, the value of the trade is off. Sillinger, Boqvist would all likely return a 1st in individual trades, so you're asking us to trade the equivalent of 3 1sts for what amounts to one year of a cheap 1B center in a year that we have no business going for it, just so we can extend him to be (if it goes well) an expensive 2C for years 3-8 that doesn't quite fit the window at the cap cost and actual cost of pieces that should be part of that window's core going forward. It doesn't make as much sense if you dig past the surface.

Lindholm would be an upgrade, and Sillinger could absolutely be part of a trade for him, but it's more complex than that and we're not going to overpay for him.


I agree. Silly is waiver exempt but others are not. It is the same reason why Chinakhov is likely starting in Cleveland as well.
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28 juill. 2023 à 7 h 37
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I'd give that up for Limdholm but not Hanifin. Hanifin isn't really a need for Boston.
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28 juill. 2023 à 13 h 37
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Avs decline. No cap space for Backlund even if they were wanting him.
 
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