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Flames retool revised

Créé par: Erbas1915
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 25 juill. 2023
Publié: 27 juill. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
22 400 000 $
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (BUF)
Détails additionnels:
Buffalo seems ready to push for the playoffs and Backs would be perfect on their 3rd line. Don't know if he'd waive for them though
2.
CGY
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (WPG)
3.
CGY
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2026 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Hanifin, Noah (2 475 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
8x6.75 extension
4.
TOR
  1. Mangiapane, Andrew
  2. Zadorov, Nikita (1 875 000 $ retained)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (DAL)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
Toronto gets the lower of CGY's 2024 1sts and the highest 2024 2nd round pick
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27 juill. 2023 à 13 h 56
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Are you selling or buying? Doing both is just more mediocrity
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27 juill. 2023 à 13 h 58
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Are you selling or buying? Doing both is just more mediocrity


Fair point, but isn’t perpetual mediocrity the Flames thing lol?
27 juill. 2023 à 13 h 59
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Quoting: Erbas1915
Fair point, but isn’t perpetual mediocrity the Flames thing lol?


It is but that shouldn't be the goal of fans on here just the expectation with reality
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 0
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Stop this backlund non sense. Sabres already have their center core plus. We aren't giving up assets for a ufa defensive center.
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27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 2
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Stop this backlund non sense. Sabres already have their center core plus. We aren't giving up assets for a ufa defensive center.


An elite defensive centre who just put up 56 points. I understand not wanting to give up assets, but don’t undersell him he’s miles better than either Jost or Krebs. I just figured you guys were sick of missing the playoffs and wanted to improve for this year
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 5
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
It is but that shouldn't be the goal of fans on here just the expectation with reality


Yeah I know, but in this scenario we’d try to extend Lindy and Nylander before the deadline if they click. Then if not, we trade both plus Tanev/Brodie and truly begin a rebuild
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 12
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Krebs for Backlund in this market is probably overpay from Buffalo. I don't hate the idea. Sabres wouldn't add a pick here. Flames probably do tbh.
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 24
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Krebs for Backlund in this market is probably overpay from Buffalo. I don't hate the idea. Sabres wouldn't add a pick here. Flames probably do tbh.


You think Flames add a pick do downgrade? Even in this market Calgary got a pick for downgrading from Toffoli to Sharangovich
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27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 24
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Krebs for Backlund in this market is probably overpay from Buffalo. I don't hate the idea. Sabres wouldn't add a pick here. Flames probably do tbh.


I don't see why the Flames would add a pick, I thought the value was pretty close when you compare to what Backlund would fetch at the deadline. Maybe swap the second for a third, but becomes a second if BUF makes the playoffs?
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 26
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You think Flames add a pick do downgrade? Even in this market Calgary got a pick for downgrading from Toffoli to Sharangovich


No doubt. And the downgrade from Backlund to Krebs is massive. If we're not rebuilding, I'd rather just extend Backs for 2-3 years, but who knows if he's interested
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 28
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Quoting: wojme
Stop this backlund non sense. Sabres already have their center core plus. We aren't giving up assets for a ufa defensive center.


Guy would have been 7th on the Sabres in points ahead of non-defensive Oloffson, Quinn, Peterka, Krebs etc. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 38
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You think Flames add a pick do downgrade? Even in this market Calgary got a pick for downgrading from Toffoli to Sharangovich


Eh, maybe. I think Krebs has more value than Sharangovich. Younger, developing 2 way center. 1 for 1 isn't that unreasonable imo.
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27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 39
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Quoting: Erbas1915
I don't see why the Flames would add a pick, I thought the value was pretty close when you compare to what Backlund would fetch at the deadline. Maybe swap the second for a third, but becomes a second if BUF makes the playoffs?


Yeah, sure. Like in my post above, 1 for 1 or Buffalo does a mid pick is probably fine either way.
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 40
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I’d probably do this if backlund were a few years younger. At 34, idk if the age curve catches him this year.
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 41
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Quoting: yycofred
Guy would have been 7th on the Sabres in points ahead of non-defensive Oloffson, Quinn, Peterka, Krebs etc. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.


As a Sabres fan I strongly agree here. Backlund would be a great asset to this team, and I'd probably part with Krebs to accomplish it. Hopefully he'd stick around for a few years. I'd hope his decline makes him continually effective for another couple years.
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27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 42
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Quoting: JLance
As a Sabres fan I strongly agree here. Backlund would be a great asset to this team (defensively), and I'd probably part with Krebs to accomplish it. Hopefully he'd stick around for a few years. I'd hope his decline makes him continually effective for another couple years.
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27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 46
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Eh, maybe. I think Krebs has more value than Sharangovich. Younger, developing 2 way center. 1 for 1 isn't that unreasonable imo.


Younger yes, but Sharangovich is at this point in time a better player. Krebs is going into his D+5 season now. Sharangovich is going into his D+6 year. The difference there really isn't that big
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 50
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no chance the leafs take that for willy sorry
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 54
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Quoting: leaffanio
no chance the leafs take that for willy sorry


I’m not sure how much more you’re expecting to get for him. Not many teams have the desire, assets or cap space to acquire him
27 juill. 2023 à 14 h 57
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Younger yes, but Sharangovich is at this point in time a better player. Krebs is going into his D+5 season now. Sharangovich is going into his D+6 year. The difference there really isn't that big


you're right, it's not. But Backlund's got 3 years on Toffoli too. 1 for 1 is probably fine, but I wouldn't be surprised really if a mid pick was added to either side.

Really this is a pretty good trade.
27 juill. 2023 à 15 h 7
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I’m not sure how much more you’re expecting to get for him. Not many teams have the desire, assets or cap space to acquire him


i'd honestly rather keep him and let him walk than trade him for mangiapane and zadorov. if hanifin was willing to extend in toronto then maybe i could see a deal coming together but otherwise i just don't see it
27 juill. 2023 à 15 h 8
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i'd honestly rather keep him and let him walk than trade him for mangiapane and zadorov. if hanifin was willing to extend in toronto then maybe i could see a deal coming together but otherwise i just don't see it


Well you also get a first and a second here, but fair enough
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27 juill. 2023 à 15 h 10
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Backlund at 34. Is not a realistic target. I'm not trading Krebs and a 2nd to make the playoffs. That's a trade you make to win a cup.

Timeline is off. I would rather hope Krebs becomes a Backlund rather than one year for an upgrade at 3c.
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27 juill. 2023 à 15 h 15
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Quoting: RoyalBlueSabres
Backlund at 34. Is not a realistic target. I'm not trading Krebs and a 2nd to make the playoffs. That's a trade you make to win a cup.

Timeline is off. I would rather hope Krebs becomes a Backlund rather than one year for an upgrade at 3c.


Yeah that’s fair, might be a little early in BUF’s timeline. I think the value is right though if a trade were made. And yeah I agree Krebs would ideally become Backlund type player if things go well, similar production at the same age although Backs still had a stronger possession/defensive game back then
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27 juill. 2023 à 15 h 24
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Quoting: Erbas1915
I don't see why the Flames would add a pick, I thought the value was pretty close when you compare to what Backlund would fetch at the deadline. Maybe swap the second for a third, but becomes a second if BUF makes the playoffs?


Well u can stop putting any kind of thought into it bc the Sabres are NOT trading Krebs for a “rental”
That’s absurd dude, come on now
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