Everyone will complain with 0 research done and say this is all too much even tho this is exactly what Danny is asking for and there are reasons he is asking it.

Also worth noting that Konecny is paid less than anyone else on that list. If the Flyers are moving him with an extra year of affordable team control, they should get a haul for him.

I like Konecny, and I think he's an excellent player with considerable value. That said, I'm not paying that type of price for 2 years of a player who has had exactly 1 point per game season. A 1st, 2nd and Olofsson seems reasonable if the idea is to retain and flip him, adding Kulich is a non-starter as he would be a top 2 prospect in most teams pools.

Duchene and Eichel were C's in their prime, so wouldn't really consider them as comparables but I do think the ask would be high like with Chychrun, so the conclusion of 2 1sts+ is probably accurate.

In terms of the mock trade, I don't think Konencny is worth that package+Olofsson, but I could see him being involved just for cap reasons, but probably the 2nd at least is removed.

It’s hilarious that people don’t understand this

I don’t think Buffalo should be the team to do it but someone more ready to contend/desperate should

I mean it’s fair to say TK hasn’t even entered his prime yet which means you get him with his best years to come lol

This is my own read into it, but I took Olofsson to be the guy that comes back to help offset cap. I think a Konecny deal would be at least a contender's 1st & 2nd(both late in the round picks, one would assume), one of their top 3/4 prospects, and either a contract coming back to offset the cap hit, or whatever additional asset to cover retention.

The main purpose of the post was to show TK's value when placed against other recent young Under-25 players. Olofsson was definitely included as a salary tradeoff. Most of Buffalo is just wanting to get rid of him.

Also, look at what Detroit was willing to trade. Zadina? His value isn't there clearly. So I think if someone like TK was available... you gotta spend if you want to contend. Buffalo should be close imo.

Think Duchene was same age as TK is now, and Eichel and TK are the same age, what I meant was they were at the onset of their prime.

Yeah, I was assuming Olofsson was coming back as the cap piece. I don't think he would have much value on the market right now and would probably be dealt for FC if Buffalo wanted to be dumping him. I was just trying to point out that it he shouldn't be seen as part of the package for Olofsson (like Tuch was in the Eichel trade) and perhaps Buffalo might want to consider him as an asset rather than a pure cap dump.

That being said because Buffalo is giving one of their top prospects and their first (they are still playoff hopefuls until they get it done imo) I think the package does need to be reduced at least a little. Other interested parties are probably offering two expected late 1sts or a 1st+lower quality prospect (unless Buffalo fans just oveerrate Kulich)+ a 2nd + a player like Olofsson.

Eichel as an over-ppg center is a poor comparable. As is Hall, who had just won a Hart trophy

Better comparables might be:
- Reinhart || 0.756ppg L3 || Levi, first
- Fiala || 0.913ppg L3 || Faber, first

If I had to make a guess with other teams:
Detroit - Jonathan Berggern, 1st, 2nd
EDM - Philly would have to take salary back (Warren Foegle, Xavier Bourgault, 1st)

Fiala is a good comparable ppg-wise. BUT Guerin was salary strapped and shipped Fiala to LA for peanuts imo. Flyers can be patient if they want.

I think the one reason that Philly would get a slightly better return is both of those guys were just RFA rights - Konecny still has this year and next at a reasonable $5.5M AAV before you have to pay him, whereas both those guys came to town needing a new deal.

First, nearly every player Buffalo has acquired in the past 30 months either has a connection to Granato (Greenway, Hinnostroza, Clifton, Caguilla et al) or to a current Sabre (Johnson and Okposo).
I know there are exceptions (Lyubushkin, Comrie and others), it just seems implausible that the Sabres would trade for a player of Konecny abilities that would require multiple assets without a connection.
Second, many Sabre ACGM's are wllling to give away Olofsson.
I suppose three years ago many of them also thought Thompson should be given away, or the Sabres would need to pay to move Ristolainen off of the roster.
If that is the case Boeser should only be moved with multiple assets as over the past four seasons Olofsson has more goals and has a lower AVV.
Finally,
Over the past 7 years the Sabres have drafted really well, a review of some of their first or second round picks:
2017 Mittlestadt, Luukkonen
2018 Dahlin, Samuelsson
2019 Cozens, Johnson
2020 Quinn, Peterka
2021 Power, Rosen (BTW after watching the 3 v 3 today 53rd OA Kisakov looked like he could be in the NHL in a couple of years)
2022 Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich
2023 Benson, Wahlberg (86th McCarthy and 109th Miedema stuck out as well)
With that success in the draft, why should they be trading away first round draft picks.
I believe a first round pick was traded 12 times this past TDL, neither Carolina nor the Panthers participated.
Well that is my lengthy opinion.

Not getting Kulich for TK

Certainly fair. Maybe a bit more, but I would assume it still looks mostly like a solid prospect and a first round pick, with perhaps an extra later pick thrown in to accommodate for the additional season.

Normally you would be able to ask for a haul, but you just traded a 50 point center in Hayes with 50% retention for a 6th round pick. The market is absolutely in the dumpster for forwards right now

1- Sabres do NOT want to “dump” Olofsson though

2- thinking a 25+ goal scorer under the age of 30 with 1 year left on a contract & not an absurd Cap hit will go for “future considerations” is utterly ridiculous

3- comparing Tuch in the Eichel trade to Olofsson in a Konecny trade is just plain DUMB
Vegas needed to get rid of Cap to fit Eichel
Buffalo DOES NOT need to get rid of Cap to fit Konecny
Jfc


U guys really gotta take off your “homer glasses”
The whole premise (to back up his point) by Renegade H is COMPLETELY FLAWED right off the bat
Talking about “ppg players” when Konecny is NOT ONE ffs
The ONLY example he even gave who actually was a PPG player, was Eichel

This whole post is just utter freaking nonsense

Will u guys likely get good value for Konecny *IF* u trade him?
Of course, he’s a good young player

Do ANY of us know what it’ll be?
NO, we don’t

So we can all (especially Renegade H) can drop the EXAGGERATED HYPERBOLE about trying to prove what Konecny is worth
Ffs, u guys sound absurd about it

My whole point was that Buffalo probably would want something for Olofsson/value in a Konecny deal even if it was at a 2nd (or whatever I said prior). Key word in what I said in the quote is had obviously Buffalo has no reason too. As for him being dumped for future considerations, I wouldn't say 4.75M m, even if it's just a year would be seen as favorable. Bjorkstrand was on a multi-year deal, similar production, same age as Olofsson is now, better defence at 5.4M only fetched a 3rd+4th. Arvidsson (27) at 4.25Mx3 got a 2nd+3rd. Context matters too but I was just making a general statement based on what I thought a cap hit like Olofsson's would be dumped at (definitely was swayed by the 30+ yo that got dumped).

As for comparing Olofsson to Tuch, I definitely don't think it's the same thing, but I also think you are wrong. Eichel is a C and far better player than Konecny, Tuch wasn't just in there for cap, which was my whole point. Referring to Olofsson as a cap component, doesn't mean he's automatically a dump, and even. Worth noting that not every team spends to the cap either.

Not sure if the other stuff is directed to me but I'm not a Flyers fan, I agree that these examples aren't comps but Konecny did have 61 pts in 60 games, so while he's not a career PPG player, he might be one now.

Meh, whole bunch of blah here
No offense
Have a nice day

Lol, I should have just said "I'm not a Flyers fan" considering this is from a week ago almost. My poor thumbs. Have a nice one.

No offense, just don’t think u have much of a stranglehold on what’s going on with the Sabres

None taken. You might be right, but the reason you think I'm clueless, to be frank, is because you took what I said out of context.