Funny how I rarely see Habs fan post Anderson trades but everyone keep making them. This is an horrible trade

How so?

Anderson the 7th worst forward in expected goals against. He is all offense, 29 years old, and one bad hit from missing a ton of games. I would think he lines up perfectly for this trade. MTL would like to compete in two years. Trade Granlund at the deadline and lose a bad contract in 3 years.

There’s zero chance MTL takes that even if by some miracle Carter agrees.

Really? Are people big on Anderson? I picked him because he is legitimately bad at everything except scoring and hitting. A poor man's Miller.

If we compete in 3 years, we would be so much better with Anderson than nothing. No habs fans want to trade him. You are certainly not getting him for cap dumps. We will keep him if that is all you offers

Scoring and hitting is more valuable than 2 cap dumps. He is also better defensively than his stats show

Ok man, calm down. His stats say he isn't a good player. I have seen articles about MTL trying to dump him. I figured it would be a fit. No need to get upset.

Well, no. He is as good as his stats show. That's why they're stats. You can have anecdotal data about a time he did this or that but his overall stats paint a grim picture of his defense.

Edit: I agree scoring and hitting are valuable but Granlund is good at passing and isn't void of value. Also, cap space in 2 years is valuable.

Nobody inside of Montreal is trying to dump him. I’m so tired of these type of trades. If he is traded, it would cost a massive haul. A second and a good prospect at least

Stats don’t show everything. Just watch a game and you would know he is better than you think

I mean if that is why MTL wants, he isn't going anywhere. He was worse statistically for his team winning than Granlund last year.

Granlund was responsible for 1.64 points per 60 and 3.61 expected goals against per 60. That is a negative value of nearly 2. The same stats for Anderson are 1.41 points for and 4.11 goals against.

Now Anderson was on a much worse team but still. He has no defense.

Ok. Enjoy your subjective eye test. I'll stick with my objective statistics.

That was the same rational Ron Hextall used when he traded a 2nd for Granlund. "He looks better than his numbers". Whoops!

Habs aren't trading Anderson if they aren't receiving any futures

The issue with Anderson is that his contract is inefficient and his age doesn't line up with that of MTL's core. That being said he is still a player that brings elements that the team values and they don't see moving him as being a necessity from either a roster or cap perspective. While they certainly are open to moving him, they have made clear that they would need legitimate value coming back to do so.

Not taking an extra $3M if we aren't getting anything enticing.

The Habs are because he’s one of the only power forwards in the league. Having him is like having a Tom Wilson that doesn’t get suspended for trying to injure people. He’s one of those weird players that would cost too much in a trade to acquire but is also overpaid. He’s an enigma.

This is why he’s one of the rare players in the league who are both overpaid but also too costly to trade for. It’s rare to have a real power forward on the wing now.

Then proceeds to deploy him on the 2nd line...

he was also 26th best in xGF/60 and has a positive differential unlike Ovi or Rantanen or Hertl or Gaudreau

As much as YOU may not like him, the numbers do not lie. And gms love his type of player so one will pay at least a 2nd rounder for him (probably a 1st + prospect)

I did say except scoring and hitting right? I can look back but I think you're overlooking it to be funny. But, that's just a guess.

Fair enough. From the data, it appears he is good at scoring and bad at preventing goals. I see him as a Miller type. Good now, not later.

But, I can understand your perspective.

Anderson 5v5 numbers compared to forwards with 500+ min
Expected Goals: 14.4 (87th)
Hits: 125 (67th)
Corsi: 44% (345th)
On Ice Expected goals against per 60: 3.51 (380th)
On Ice goal differential: -3 (239th)
Side Note: Ovy was -2, Rantanen was +14, Hertl was -15, Gaudreau was -17
So two of the guys you named had a better differential and Anderson had a negative differential.

Anderson is good at scoring and hitting. Bad at controlling play and defense. Those are his numbers. No one, and I mean NO ONE will give up a 1st for those numbers.

I don't like or dislike Anderson. I see him for what he is.

He is more of a poor man's Tom Wilson. Wilson hits more, draws more penalties, controls play more, and is much better defensively.

Last year this was their on ice expected goals against per 60 (ranked against forwards with 500+ min)
Wilson: 2.35 (124th)
Anderson: 2.73 (300th)

I don't see why he is overvalued but based off the hate I'm getting here, you are likely correct.

Wilson is the better player for sure but based on availability it makes Anderson closer than any numbers can show. If you employ Wilson you may be losing him for 20 games worth of suspensions since he doesn’t know where the line is.

Well that's a bit hyperbolic. He has one 20 game suspension in his career. All other suspensions combined are 17 games. The league does not really care. You may lose him for 2 - 4 games in any given season.