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Créé par: joshelkin
Équipe: 2017-18 Islanders de New York
Date de création initiale: 25 juin 2017
Publié: 25 juin 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
56 000 000 $
53 000 000 $
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYI
    RFA rights to Mikael Granlund
    MIN
    1. Dal Colle, Michael
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CGY)
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (NYI)
    Détails additionnels:
    Should the Islanders offersheet Granlund at the $6M AAV, the compensation would be a 2018 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I'm not fully aware of MIN's cap situation and whether or not they could afford to match it, but accepting a trade like this instead of losing him for the previously mentioned compensation makes sense.
    2.
    NYI
    1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2018 (ANA)
    Détails additionnels:
    Cap clearing move - used Anaheim as a placeholder. Any team could go here
    Rachats de contrats
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2375 000 000 $68 592 499 $0 $1 325 000 $6 407 501 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 2
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    C, AG
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 1
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
    AD, C
    UFA - 2
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
    3 300 000 $3 300 000 $
    AD, AG, C
    UFA - 1
    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    3 350 000 $3 350 000 $
    C
    UFA - 4
    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 5
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    3 333 333 $3 333 333 $
    G
    UFA - 3
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
    DD
    UFA - 1
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    925 000 $925 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 4
    625 000 $625 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    25 juin 2017 à 15 h 51
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    *puts on Minnesota hat*

    Well I think it's a pretty fair trade
    25 juin 2017 à 15 h 51
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    I'd jump all over that from Minny perspective. It fixes the cap problem and stocks up on picks + a good prospect.

    I think you're basing this trade under the assumption Granny is a 65p 2C. He's not, he's a playmaking winger. So you are probably overpaying for a winger.

    Drop 1 of the 1sts and it' still a good deal for Minny.
    25 juin 2017 à 16 h 11
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    The value is solid but i wouldn't do it. Has the Wild likely taking a big step back next year because of this and just adds to their holes at the forward position.

    Also gets rid of one of their young, promising players that actually has taken a big step forward in recent years. And in my view doesn't really solve the cap issues because they're gong to have to sign someone to replace him then anyway. Not a fan.
    25 juin 2017 à 16 h 21
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    The value is solid but i wouldn't do it. Has the Wild likely taking a big step back next year because of this and just adds to their holes at the forward position.

    Also gets rid of one of their young, promising players that actually has taken a big step forward in recent years. And in my view doesn't really solve the cap issues because they're gong to have to sign someone to replace him then anyway. Not a fan.


    Not really. They have a lot of LW depth in Parise, Nino, and Zucker already on the roster. Kunin, Kaprizov, and Greenway all potentially challenging for roster spots after next season, then add Dal Colle to that group. They should be able to get a decent 3rd liner for relatively cheap. Or it could open up a Scandella for Kane (base) trade that's been rumored for awhile now.
    25 juin 2017 à 16 h 36
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    Not really. They have a lot of LW depth in Parise, Nino, and Zucker already on the roster. Kunin, Kaprizov, and Greenway all potentially challenging for roster spots after next season, then add Dal Colle to that group. They should be able to get a decent 3rd liner for relatively cheap. Or it could open up a Scandella for Kane (base) trade that's been rumored for awhile now.


    That's what I mean though; this trade likely has them taking a step back this year. At best next year some of the young guys will challenge for spots and then hopefully a year or two after that they'd be back to where they are now at that position.

    And if you plan on sliding Nino back over to LW that really leaves Coyle and Pominville as the only legit Top-9 RW options, which is frightening.

    If you trade Granlund for a package like this you're having to sign, imo, two top-9 C/RW players (depending on where you see Ek playing).

    I also have trouble understanding the allure of Kane anymore. It's been 4 or 5 years since he had a really good season. Part of that is Buffalo, part of that is his play, and part of that is his off-ice/injury troubles.

    Like I said, I think this would be a step-back for the Wild and with the contracts/players they have that doesn't really make sense.
    25 juin 2017 à 16 h 39
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    Granlund was a very ineffective offensive player a center.
    25 juin 2017 à 16 h 55
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    Not really. They have a lot of LW depth in Parise, Nino, and Zucker already on the roster. Kunin, Kaprizov, and Greenway all potentially challenging for roster spots after next season, then add Dal Colle to that group. They should be able to get a decent 3rd liner for relatively cheap. Or it could open up a Scandella for Kane (base) trade that's been rumored for awhile now.


    That's what I mean though; this trade likely has them taking a step back this year. At best next year some of the young guys will challenge for spots and then hopefully a year or two after that they'd be back to where they are now at that position.

    And if you plan on sliding Nino back over to LW that really leaves Coyle and Pominville as the only legit Top-9 RW options, which is frightening.

    If you trade Granlund for a package like this you're having to sign, imo, two top-9 C/RW players (depending on where you see Ek playing).

    I also have trouble understanding the allure of Kane anymore. It's been 4 or 5 years since he had a good season. Part of that is Buffalo, part of that is his play, and part of that is his off-ice/injury troubles.

    Like I said, I think this would be a step-back for the Wild and with the contracts/players they have that doesn't really make sense.


    28g in 70 games is a pretty good season... He adds some the toughness the Wild severely lack. Yes he has a ton of red flags, but it'll be a contract year so he should be on his best behavior.

    Nino played LW most of last season. Granny played his offhanded wing. I'm fine with a Zucker/Koivu/Pommer 2nd/shutdown line.

    Pommer is not quite the passer as Granny, but he does have the 2nd best passing hands on the team. Zucker was what made that line work, not Granny.

    Lose Granny or Nino this year, or Zucker next year. I'd keep Nino and Zucker, they both have aspects to their game nobody on the Wild has.

    Nino/Staal/Coyle
    Parise/Koivu/Zucker
    ???/JEE/Pommer

    Those 5 wings still make a really good top-6 in some way, shape, or form. 3rd and 4th liners are easier to find than top-6 players, either in a Scandella trade or in UFA. A step back really would mean making the Playoffs as a Wild Card and getting bounced in the first round. Instead of making the Playoffs as a 2 seed and getting bounced in the first round like last year.
    25 juin 2017 à 17 h 12
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    That's what I mean though; this trade likely has them taking a step back this year. At best next year some of the young guys will challenge for spots and then hopefully a year or two after that they'd be back to where they are now at that position.

    And if you plan on sliding Nino back over to LW that really leaves Coyle and Pominville as the only legit Top-9 RW options, which is frightening.

    If you trade Granlund for a package like this you're having to sign, imo, two top-9 C/RW players (depending on where you see Ek playing).

    I also have trouble understanding the allure of Kane anymore. It's been 4 or 5 years since he had a good season. Part of that is Buffalo, part of that is his play, and part of that is his off-ice/injury troubles.

    Like I said, I think this would be a step-back for the Wild and with the contracts/players they have that doesn't really make sense.


    A step back really would mean making the Playoffs as a Wild Card and getting bounced in the first round. Instead of making the Playoffs as a 2 seed and getting bounced in the first round like last year.


    Lmao sadly this is probably very true

    I'd much rather keep Zucker too.

    I'm not convinced Pommer has it in him to play top-9 minutes anymore over the course of a season.

    In any event, I think that's a decision I would make next summer when I had a better handle on that roster and cap situation then. I'm just afraid they make a move like that one year too soon and then are left scrambling to replace that production before the young guys are ready.
    25 juin 2017 à 17 h 25
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    Players are easier to trade without a contract than with one (RFA's). Especially when you get into the $5m+ range.
    25 juin 2017 à 17 h 29
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    Even so I'd still pass. I think the value is definitely fine it's just not the direction I'd go with the team.
    25 juin 2017 à 18 h 39
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    Getting very close to the cap if you want if Isles want to sign Tavares. Wishing Kumulin away without taking money back, isn't realistic.
    25 juin 2017 à 19 h 53
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    Keep dreaming about Granlund..stud first line center isn't going anywhere..minny wil move Nino and D before him with mikko going into final year and Staal not getting any younger
    25 juin 2017 à 20 h 7
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    Keep dreaming about Granlund..stud first line center isn't going anywhere..minny wil move Nino and D before him with mikko going into final year and Staal not getting any younger


    Granlund isn't a center, well not a good center at least. He's a natural wing.
     
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