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Granlund To Chicago And Carter Trade Idea

Créé par: edeangel84
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 25 juin 2023
Publié: 25 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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The Carter idea could be an interesting way to get rid of him by sending him somewhere that can eat the whole salary and buy him out. He can be bought out but it costs 100% of his salary. I am in love with the idea of taking on Campbell and getting another 1st.
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PIT
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
CHI
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
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  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
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Anaheim buys out Carter so he is a UFA.
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  1. Campbell, Jack
  2. Kulak, Brett
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
  5. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
EDM
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. Poehling, Ryan [Droits de RFA]
  3. Smith, Ty [Droits de RFA]
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25 juin 2023 à 10 h 52
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I suppose I’d do this
25 juin 2023 à 10 h 55
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
I suppose I’d do this


You’d get a free 2nd rounder for eating one year of a bad salary.
25 juin 2023 à 10 h 55
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My understanding is thanks to Hextall front loading Carter's contract, he offers no cap or salary relief to the team that buys him out. Given ANA isn't contending this season, it makes little sense for them- or probably any team- to buy him out.
25 juin 2023 à 10 h 59
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I’ve seen Granlund to Chicago a lot and 90% of your offers make me want to shoot my eyes out
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25 juin 2023 à 11 h 4
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Hawks are not eating 2 years of Granlund for essentially a 4th. Attach the value of a highish 2nd and the Hawks might bite....otherwise good luck
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25 juin 2023 à 11 h 6
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You’d get a free 2nd rounder for eating one year of a bad salary.


Not free, costs $3,125,000
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My understanding is thanks to Hextall front loading Carter's contract, he offers no cap or salary relief to the team that buys him out. Given ANA isn't contending this season, it makes little sense for them- or probably any team- to buy him out.


Why? They can eat 3 million for one season. It’s an easy yes unless Carter says no to leaving.
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Not free, costs $3,125,000


For one season and you get a 2nd. The 3M barely dents your massive cap space.
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Hawks are not eating 2 years of Granlund for essentially a 4th. Attach the value of a highish 2nd and the Hawks might bite....otherwise good luck


A 3rd for a 7th is easily worth 10M. It’s not like Chicago is loaded with good centers either.
25 juin 2023 à 11 h 58
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Why? They can eat 3 million for one season. It’s an easy yes unless Carter says no to leaving.


Why would Carter waive? And why would a team by him out? It costs them more to buy him out and get a cap min. player than just play him or scratch him.
25 juin 2023 à 12 h 0
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Why would Carter waive? And why would a team by him out? It costs them more to buy him out and get a cap min. player than just play him or scratch him.


Because Anaheim doesn’t need him and he won’t play there. He gets to be a UFA and go wherever he wants. All they have to do is pay his salary this season and get a 2nd next year for their “troubles”.

Edit: And if he doesn’t want out of here then obviously this isn’t happening.
25 juin 2023 à 12 h 0
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I’ve seen Granlund to Chicago a lot and 90% of your offers make me want to shoot my eyes out


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Hawks are not eating 2 years of Granlund for essentially a 4th. Attach the value of a highish 2nd and the Hawks might bite....otherwise good luck



you guys have a point, but you have to understand and make peace with the fact that CHI is going to be irrelevant for the next 2-3 years at leas while you guys are rebuilding. getting assets to take on ****ty players and contracts, that might bounce back and become assets that can be traded for at the tdl should be your objective. plus sucking in the regular season to get another superhigh pick. imo
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you guys have a point, but you have to understand and make peace with the fact that CHI is going to be irrelevant for the next 2-3 years at leas while you guys are rebuilding. getting assets to take on ****ty players and contracts, that might bounce back and become assets that can be traded for at the tdl should be your objective. plus sucking in the regular season to get another superhigh pick. imo


They’re moving up 105 spots in the draft. That’s worth 5M a year for 2 years. And they don’t have any better centers aside from Bedard.
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25 juin 2023 à 12 h 2
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Because Anaheim doesn’t need him and he won’t play there. He gets to be a UFA and go wherever he wants. All they have to do is pay his salary this season and get a 2nd next year for their “troubles”.

Edit: And if he doesn’t want out of here then obviously this isn’t happening.


I think he would have to have interest from a actual contender to agree to wave, get bought out, then sign with that contender. Otherwise, there's no incentive for him to agree to waive. I'm also quite skeptical a team like Anaheim is willing to just throw away dead money on a buyout. A rebuilding team should just play him because they have nothing to lose. He's the perfect player to tank with.
25 juin 2023 à 12 h 4
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for the edm deal I'd change it a bit.

if you believe in campbell id do:

edm gives up: campbell + 1st rounder

pitt: gives up desmith

the rest make no sense for pit, Poehling is much better than Archibald and will be cheap and we should keep him. for smith I'd trade him too for 2 3rds and kulak is another rutta...
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I think he would have to have interest from a actual contender to agree to wave, get bought out, then sign with that contender. Otherwise, there's no incentive for him to agree to waive. I'm also quite skeptical a team like Anaheim is willing to just throw away dead money on a buyout. A rebuilding team should just play him because they have nothing to lose. He's the perfect player to tank with.


Why play him when they have a lot of young forwards? Eat the salary and take a pick that’s probably around 50tg next year. If I’m Florida or Tampa and I can get him for a million for only next season what’s the risk?
25 juin 2023 à 12 h 8
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you guys have a point, but you have to understand and make peace with the fact that CHI is going to be irrelevant for the next 2-3 years at leas while you guys are rebuilding. getting assets to take on ****ty players and contracts, that might bounce back and become assets that can be traded for at the tdl should be your objective. plus sucking in the regular season to get another superhigh pick. imo


I get the Hawks will suck for several years. There are a finite number of 5 million a season cap dumps the Hawks (or available in the entire league) can take. You want to pay #44OA and a future 4th like Ottawa did with Zaitsev, the Hawks will gladly help. You want to lowball your problems away, it won't be to the Hawks.
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25 juin 2023 à 12 h 12
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For one season and you get a 2nd. The 3M barely dents your massive cap space.


With that 3.125 added, we would likely have less than 10 million after we sign all of our RFA’s and a UFA or two
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With that 3.125 added, we would likely have less than 10 million after we sign all of our RFA’s and a UFA or two


You’re going to make a trade or two as well. I’m guessing Nashville like STL looks to trade a 1st and you have players to sell like Henrique, Vatrano, or even Strome.
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I get the Hawks will suck for several years. There are a finite number of 5 million a season cap dumps the Hawks (or available in the entire league) can take. You want to pay #44OA and a future 4th like Ottawa did with Zaitsev, the Hawks will gladly help. You want to lowball your problems away, it won't be to the Hawks.


I offered you a chance to move up 105 spots in this draft. I don’t even see how this isn’t a no brainier.
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I get the Hawks will suck for several years. There are a finite number of 5 million a season cap dumps the Hawks (or available in the entire league) can take. You want to pay #44OA and a future 4th like Ottawa did with Zaitsev, the Hawks will gladly help. You want to lowball your problems away, it won't be to the Hawks.


it's not about what the pens are doing here... let's take this example: let's say that the 3rd is enough indeed, or maybe add another 4th. now the hawks have two extra picks/assets they wouldn't have otherwise plus a decent veteran that can: 1. be a leader to the younger guys 2. be sold again if he has a decent season. in this scenario with him playing more and top line minutes, points will increase so will value. maybe you trade him at this years TDL with 50% retention for another 3rd or more (2nd) to a contender. or maybe wait the next trade deadline and do the same gaining more assets.

and what if he suck? well doesn't matter to chi anyway. you still gained some assets for the transaction in the first place and you are supposed to suck. and that has to be the mentality. do as much of this as they can... if I was chi I would look at all of these bad contracts and try to acquire them trying to gain as many assets as possible.
25 juin 2023 à 12 h 31
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You’re going to make a trade or two as well. I’m guessing Nashville like STL looks to trade a 1st and you have players to sell like Henrique, Vatrano, or even Strome.


I think we keep all three

We just have Strome and Vatrano multi year deals last off season so trading them wouldn’t be wise and Vatrano exceeded expectations so why would we move him
25 juin 2023 à 13 h 9
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I think we keep all three

We just have Strome and Vatrano multi year deals last off season so trading them wouldn’t be wise and Vatrano exceeded expectations so why would we move him


If Nashville offered you the Edmonton 1st they have and Fabbro for Strome would you take it?
 
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