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For the PLD trade, this would be the price for you, but it's super unrealistic
MTL would not trade Dach for Dubois straight up

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21 juin 2023 à 12 h 26

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I'm skeptical any of those teams would accept those offers.

21 juin 2023 à 12 h 26

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Almost identical to what I would do. Don't see the teams NOT named WPG agreeing to those deals, but they would be nice.

21 juin 2023 à 12 h 26

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boston probably declines

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21 juin 2023 à 12 h 27

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

For the PLD trade, this would be the price for you, but it's super unrealistic
MTL would not trade Dach for Dubois straight up

Agreed. This is why I made some trades to add some 1st round picks to go to MTL to get Dach and Barron. I didn't get a lot of feedback on this one, so I'm thinking it wasn't bad for HABs fans - https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4300417

21 juin 2023 à 12 h 34

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Depending on the market I think NJ could do that deal and be happy. Hellebuyck would need to commit to his next contract in the 7 million range though prior to the trade otherwise the money doesn't work

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21 juin 2023 à 12 h 52

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For a rental goalie, who is asking for Vasilevskiy’s contract for extension, this is far too much for Devils. Gotta do two of the following:

1. Change Vanecek to Blackwood or Daws
2. Change Holtz to Clarke or Filmon
3. Change 1st to 2nd

Unless he is willing to sign a much shorter and cheaper extension.

21 juin 2023 à 13 h 16

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Quoting: WPGSK

Maybe it’s fair in terms of value, but no
Barron is our legit top 4 RHD for the future and Dach was ****ing good this year despite the numbers
PLD is just bonuses if he comes to MTL without moving our key players

21 juin 2023 à 13 h 42

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Quoting: WPGSK

Yeah that trade isn't bad but the reason we would want to acquire Dubois is speed up the rebuild. Trading Dach and Barron would completely restart the rebuild.

21 juin 2023 à 13 h 45

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

Must be nice to have a capable GM. WPG Jets fans sighing... argh...

21 juin 2023 à 13 h 51

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Quoting: WPGSK

Must be nice to have a capable GM. WPG Jets fans sighing... argh...

It's not a question of the capability of the GM for WPG, it's the city
Not a lot of players wanna spend 5+ years in WPG

21 juin 2023 à 13 h 57

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

It's not a question of the capability of the GM for WPG, it's the city
Not a lot of players wanna spend 5+ years in WPG

Valid point, but knowing the situation a smart GM accounts for that. The Jets have to get more Western CDN guys who are okay to play in WPG.

Start from scratch by drafting for and trading for young Western CDN kids. Build the team up like you would with youth sports clubs. They start together at 18-20 and play together for years getting to know each other, etc.. etc... sub in the odd vet where required, but make it like a junior team.

Kinda following what Ottawa has done.

Chevy is not a winner, doesn't know how to win, doesn't know how to work with his liabilities and has NO PLAN.

That's it.

21 juin 2023 à 14 h 21

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Quoting: WPGSK

I really agree on the first part
I think you are a little bit hard on Chevy tho lol

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21 juin 2023 à 14 h 31

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

For the PLD trade, this would be the price for you, but it's super unrealistic
MTL would not trade Dach for Dubois straight up

It's tough because I feel like there are Jets fans who are like "Dach and 5th overall for Dubois" which is obviously ridiculous. Then there are Habs fans who are like "Josh Anderson and a 2nd round pick" which is also ridiculous. I have no idea what the price is but I think both fanbases need to come down a bit. Personally, if I am Kent Hughes I am not trading Dach for him. I wonder if maybe a lower-tier center like Evans or Dvorak would be the play if it was a prospect tossed in instead. So say, Evans, Kidney, 31st overall. Is that closer? It's an interesting discussion for sure! I kind of feel like Montreal will just wait but the risk with that is another team could entice him to stay. However I think that's a risk they take as they seem pretty solid at C for years to come even without PLD.

21 juin 2023 à 14 h 34

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Quoting: jfkst1

I'm skeptical any of those teams would accept those offers.

It's definitely hard to say. If NJ and Hellebuyck are serious about working out a long-term deal then I think New Jersey would have to pay a pretty big price to get him. They might believe in Schmid enough to not offer a king's ransom for Helle though but that's a risk with a young goalie who only has a small sample size.

21 juin 2023 à 14 h 36

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Quoting: sburns1992

Winnipeg should be rebuilding. They won't get fair value in hockey trades. It's not the 1990s anymore. Salary cap gives a finite window to compete. Contenders will give good value on futures for roster players. Teams don't have the depth to make hockey trades like decades ago so Chevy or the ownership is being delusional.

21 juin 2023 à 14 h 37

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Quoting: WPGSK

Almost identical to what I would do. Don't see the teams NOT named WPG agreeing to those deals, but they would be nice.

Yeah that's the thing eh? Every fanbase has local bias and we probably all overvalue our players a bit. I think if NJ and Helle are serious about a long-term deal the Devils would have to pay up to get it done because there are probably other contenders who would make the moves necessary to lock him up. The other two are a bit of wishful thinking.

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21 juin 2023 à 14 h 38

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Quoting: YeahDudeitsChris

Yeah a lot of contenders would have to move some money to make it work with Helle which doesn't exactly make it easy. I think some of them would though.

21 juin 2023 à 14 h 40

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Quoting: jfkst1

Agreed. To be honest I felt the Jets should have started their rebuild last offseason but Chevy and Co. seem determined to avoid that at all costs.

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21 juin 2023 à 14 h 45

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

I really agree on the first part
I think you are a little bit hard on Chevy tho lol

I think Chevyaldayoff does have a tough job in terms of attracting players to Winnipeg but I don't think drafting Western Canadian guys is the answer. Most of those guys would rather play elsewhere too. For example, while I don't think it was publicized, I think Mark Stone had some reservations about coming to Winnipeg even though he is from here. The grass is always greener in the U.S. because even if they get lower salaries they take home a lot more because of varying tax laws. It's about more than just finding people who would be ok living here.

21 juin 2023 à 14 h 53

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

I really agree on the first part
I think you are a little bit hard on Chevy tho lol

Quoting: WPGSK

I don't think Chevaldayoff is a bad GM (I wouldn't really call him a good one either though) but I do think his hands are tied. All signs are pointing to the fact they should rebuild. Everyone inside and outside of Winnipeg knows they should rebuild, so I can't think he would be that blind to what is happening on the ice. I think someone or some people above him aren't allowing him to rebuild. I don't know if Chipman and the other owners are scared the fans won't support a rebuild or if they just legitimately think they're still good enough to win, but it's definitely frustrating. I would be more likely to continue supporting them the way I have if they just came out and said "Things haven't gone well over the past five years, we ask for your patience and support while we rebuild and try to develop a Stanley Cup winning team."

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21 juin 2023 à 15 h 1

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Jets say no to that. I think the reason I did Vanacek was that the Devils would have to move some money out to make Helle fit. It's a hard spot because I think any team trading a goalie of this calibre wouldn't settle for not getting good pieces in return but at the same time that's a lot of money for contenders up against the cap to move to sign someone like him (and yes, he is worth Vasilevsky money.)

I probably also should have mentioned in my notes that that trade was under the assumption that NJ makes an extension with Hellebuyck work.

21 juin 2023 à 20 h 16

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