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Three-Way pick trade

Créé par: Jobob77
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2023
Publié: 21 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
CHI Bedard
ANA Fantilli
CBJ Carlsson
SJ Smith
DET Michkov
ARI Reinbacher/Leonard
MTL Reinbacher/Leonard
WAS Dvorsky/Benson
PHI Benson/Moore/Wood/Dvorsky
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DET)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
Athletic Pick Value Chart:
#9: 6.3
#17: 4.5
#43: 1.9
Total = 12.7
DET
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Athletic Pick Value Chart:
#5: 8.2
#31: 2.8
#69: 0.9
#101: 0.5
Total = 12.4
2.
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PHI)
Détails additionnels:
Athletic Pick Value Chart:
#7: 7.1
#22: 3.7
Total : 10.8
PHI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DET)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Athletic Pick Value Chart:
#9: 6.3
#17: 4.5
Total = 10.8
Rachats de contrats
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2083 500 000 $69 709 166 $1 170 000 $4 210 000 $13 790 834 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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812 500 $812 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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1 985 000 $1 985 000 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 15
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I like Michkov but does not scream Yzerman type player
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 21
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I'd love it *assuming Michkov doesn't weasel his way out of wanting to play for Detroit.
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 21
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Quoting: mmccRed198913
I like Michkov but does not scream Yzerman type player


Yeah but man is he going to be good
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 23
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The trade with Detroit seems unnecessarily complicated, why not:
- #5 (8.2) and #37 (2.3)... TOTAL = 10.5
FOR
- #9 (6.3) and #17 (4.5)... TOTAL = 10.8

4 Picks involved instead of 7, same net difference.
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 23
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I can't see Philly doing this, they are reportedly also interested in Reinbacher and Leonard and sure they're moving up in the back half of the 1st but I don't think that would be enough to get them to move down from 7
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 23
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I think that's a bit too much to give up for Detroit. If you want to go off that chart, take out the second third and fourth and then Detroit can add a fourth or fifth.
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 25
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Quoting: Lancebmx
I think that's a bit too much to give up for Detroit. If you want to go off that chart, take out the second third and fourth and then Detroit can add a fourth or fifth.


Flyers easily decline there’s no reason for them to move back to 9 when they can get one of Michkov, Leonard, or Benson at 7 and the margin between 17 and 22 is very little where as the gap between 7 and 9 in terms of talent is pretty sizeable. Don’t care what the athletic value chart says.
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 27
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Flyers easily decline there’s no reason for them to move back to 9 when they can get one of Michkov, Leonard, or Benson at 7 and the margin between 17 and 22 is very little where as the gap between 7 and 9 in terms of talent is pretty sizeable. Don’t care what the athletic value chart says.


Yeah I agree.
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 45
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Quoting: Shanesaw9
The trade with Detroit seems unnecessarily complicated, why not:
- #5 (8.2) and #37 (2.3)... TOTAL = 10.5
FOR
- #9 (6.3) and #17 (4.5)... TOTAL = 10.8

4 Picks involved instead of 7, same net difference.


It was my first plan but DET would pick at 37, 41, 42 and 43 . Ideally you want some space between your picks. Historically, picking 3-4 times in less than 10 picks leads to bad picks (reach).
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21 juin 2023 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: flyersarephilly
I can't see Philly doing this, they are reportedly also interested in Reinbacher and Leonard and sure they're moving up in the back half of the 1st but I don't think that would be enough to get them to move down from 7


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Flyers easily decline there’s no reason for them to move back to 9 when they can get one of Michkov, Leonard, or Benson at 7 and the margin between 17 and 22 is very little where as the gap between 7 and 9 in terms of talent is pretty sizeable. Don’t care what the athletic value chart says.


Depends if they have 2 players in the same tier as Reinbacher and Leonard. If they like for example Benson and Perreault nearly as much as Leonard and Reinbacher, it could be a good deal for them.

I respect and understand your opinion however!
21 juin 2023 à 11 h 58
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Apparent approx values check out. It would solely come down what each team wants from the draft at that point. That's kind of tough to know until draft day but who knows.
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21 juin 2023 à 12 h 0
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In my opinion habs should just draft Michkov, he is pretty much the consensus 3rd best player in this draft among the scouting community. Here's what Pronman had to say:

"In my opinion, there is a significant drop in ability from Michkov to Carlsson. The drop in talent is equivalent of that from Carlsson to the 18th-ranked player on my draft board. I have Will Smith from the U.S. NTDP closely behind Carlsson, but in terms of Michkov to the next best non-Carlsson/Smith player, that drop is cataclysmic. It’s the equivalent of the difference between Carlsson and players rated as late-round picks in terms of hockey ability. If Carlsson, Smith and Fantilli are gone and you take someone other than Michkov, in my opinion, you are picking a dramatically worse player."

You almost need to consider that if Michkov is available at 5 your pick should be valued more like a 3rd overall pick, off the Athletic chart that would be 10.2, so Detroit almost needs to trade 9th and 17th for 5th and a 4th round pick to really make it worth it for MTL. MTL should be thankful that Michkov might be available at 5, under normal circumstances they would have no shot at drafting a prospect like him.
21 juin 2023 à 12 h 1
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It was my first plan but DET would pick at 37, 41, 42 and 43 . Ideally you want some space between your picks. Historically, picking 3-4 times in less than 10 picks leads to bad picks (reach).


True, but perhaps Detroit will package 2 or 3 of those to move back into the 1st round as well.
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21 juin 2023 à 12 h 7
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You're throwing that draft pick value chart like it means something.
21 juin 2023 à 12 h 12
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Quoting: F50marco
Apparent approx values check out. It would solely come down what each team wants from the draft at that point. That's kind of tough to know until draft day but who knows.


Yzerman was asked the same thing at his presser and it put a big smile on his face and "There is no way to predict that until the draft."
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21 juin 2023 à 12 h 18
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Yeah but man is he going to be good


Yeah I think so too. I'd rather do this for Carlsson
21 juin 2023 à 12 h 20
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Yeah I think so too. I'd rather do this for Carlsson


Yeah but good luck getting Carlsson from Columbus. I think you can put together their demands.
21 juin 2023 à 12 h 34
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Depends if they have 2 players in the same tier as Reinbacher and Leonard. If they like for example Benson and Perreault nearly as much as Leonard and Reinbacher, it could be a good deal for them.

I respect and understand your opinion however!


Personally I want them to take Benson. If they believe Gauthier is projecting as an NHL center they have a decent amount of shoot first prospect, Benson is such a good passer and is solid defensively ,but isn't a defense first two-way guy, that would look great next to Cutter. Just from all the insiders and mocks this how I believe they'd view it.
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