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Intersting Marner trade from a Leafs fan - impact

Créé par: GoCanes

Équipe: 2023-24 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 20 juin 2023

Publié: 20 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

- I saw this proposed by a Leafs fan and initially dismissed it
- Upon further review, it is interesting as the Canes seem to be "in" on elite level players when available
1) Canes take on ~$5 million more in cap space this year (~$12m vs ~$7m) which is no problem
2) The cap hit next year and beyond could be fairly similar as Pesce and Necas will likely be at ~$6-$7m each after next season
3) Marner is by far the top player in this deal
4) Necas is really good and young, but he's not going to be cheap any more after this year
5) If Pesce decides not to agree to a reasonable extension then I'm not sure the Canes could do much better than this
6) We'd still have all our draft picks for future depth and/or to add to this team - in this example also adding TK for picks/prospects
7) It opens an opportunity for Morrow to come in and potentially play in the top 4 at the end of this season and beyond
- that top 9 is both dangerous and good defensively
- Drury/Rees play until Patches is ready
- Still cap space and picks/prospects available to add at the deadline

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Coghlan, Dylan		1	800 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Andersen, Frederik	2	4 000 000 $
Raanta, Antti	1	2 000 000 $
Staal, Jordan	2	3 250 000 $
Lajoie, Maxime	1	800 000 $
Pacioretty, Max	1	2 000 000 $
Soucy, Carson	3	3 000 000 $
Acciari, Noel	2	1 500 000 $

Transactions

CAR

TOR

CAR

Konecny, Travis

PHI

Ponomarev, Vasili
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)

Détails additionnels:

could add another prospect or pick

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
21	83 500 000 $	82 257 417 $	450 000 $	500 000 $	1 242 583 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Svechnikov, Andrei 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 6	Aho, Sebastian 8 460 250 $8 460 250 $ C UFA - 1	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 2
Pacioretty, Max 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 4 820 000 $4 820 000 $ C UFA - 7	Konecny, Travis 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	Jarvis, Seth 894 167 $894 167 $ (500 000 $$500K) AD RFA - 1
Martinook, Jordan 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3	Noesen, Stefan 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
	Drury, Jack 925 000 $925 000 $ C RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Andersen, Frederik 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Chatfield, Jalen 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1	Raanta, Antti 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Liljegren, Timothy 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DD RFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Kochetkov, Pyotr 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ (850 000 $$850K850 000 $$850K) G UFA - 4
Lajoie, Maxime 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG RFA - 1
Rees, Jamieson 839 167 $839 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C RFA - 1
Coghlan, Dylan 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DD RFA - 1

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 10

erh1991

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lol

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 11

GMDannyB

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I don’t see a world where the Flyers trade TK to a division rival for any less than 1 of their top prospects which is Morrow or Nikishin so anything less isn’t enough

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20 juin 2023 à 13 h 12

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The only thing is this doesnt make the leafs any tougher to play against.

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20 juin 2023 à 13 h 13

vikhodush

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Quoting: erh1991

lol

Never understood responses like this. Disagree all you want but what’s the point of an lol response with nothing else attached to it? Genuinely curious since the poster clearly seems to be doing a thought experiment he saw elsewhere and is looking for feedback.

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20 juin 2023 à 13 h 14

TheOtherAuston

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The leafs fan was smoking meth, we give up a cheap good Dman and Marner for an expiring #3/#4 Dman that is going to be making much more than liljegren even once he gets his raise and we downgrade substantially to necas who will cost to resign likely 6-7M so in the end leafs end up with likely the same cap hit if they can sign pesce and lose the best player in the deal by far and don't get a huge upgrade on defense.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 15

MitchMafia

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Canes would have to add (something significant) imo to make this deal fair. Pesce > Liligren but Lili is younger, cheaper and semi cost controlled (RFA). Marner >> Necas, but Necas is younger, cheaper and semi cost controlled (RFA). Marner also has the extra year left on deal. Interesting but can’t see the Leafs doing this

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 15

erh1991

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Quoting: vikhodush

LOL
INFORMAL
exclamation
used to draw attention to a joke or amusing statement, or to express amusement.
"I love how you said “coffee is not my cup of tea.” LOL!"
verb
laugh audibly or be amused.
"I literally LOL'd when the updates popped up"

i literally loled when i saw the toronto trade

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 15

GoCanes

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Quoting: GMDannyB

I don’t see a world where the Flyers trade TK to a division rival for any less than 1 of their top prospects which is Morrow or Nikishin so anything less isn’t enough

Ok, replace TK with any of the solid wingers available with term (Schmaltz, Hall, etc...). Or add another pick/prospect. Mainly curious about the Marner impact.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 17

GoCanes

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Quoting: erh1991

To be clear... not my trade. It was proposed by a leafs fan and supported by some leafs fans. Most Marner to Canes trades are ridiculous from a Carolina perspective. This one made me pause.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 18

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As a Leaf fan here is my analysis. Think the Leafs win the Necas/Marner swap. About 30 points difference in production but Necas is much cheaper and will be on his next contract. So the Leafs gain cap an years of control. But the Liljegren/Pesce I'm not fond. of. Liljegren is a NHL Dman, cheaper for a year and years of control over upcoming UFA Pesce.
So it might be pretty fair deal on paper, but wondering if any team would do the deal. But a good thought on the trade.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 18

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erh1991

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Quoting: GoCanes

To be clear... not my trade. It was proposed by a leafs fan and supported by some leafs fans. Most Marner to Canes trades are ridiculous from a Carolina perspective. This one made me pause.

clear as day. still makes me laugh. made me pause too

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 22

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What happens when Marner walks in two years?

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 27

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GoCanes

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Quoting: palhal

I agree... I think it's a pretty reasonable trade if Toronto wants to break up the core 4 and Carolina doesn't like the value of the extension that Pesce is seeking. And I think both of those scenarios are possible. I will state that you don't have to like the Pesce/Liljegren piece. But you are right, Liljegren is an NHL Dman. Pesce is a great shut down NHL Dman. Pesce will be far superior to Liljegren for at least the next 3-4 years. Liljegren is a bottom pair Dman. Pesce is the #1 shut down Dman on many NHL rosters. You don't have to like the economics of it, but lets not pretend the Leafs wouldn't do Liljegren plus picks for Pesce straight up (minus any cap ramifications).

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 28

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Quoting: Caniac555

What happens when Marner walks in two years?

Why do you automatically assume he'd walk in 2 years? Couldn't you say that about any good player we acquire with term? Also, what makes you assume Necas is here 2-3 years from now? He is going to get expensive as well and I'd bet he'd like to test UFA. I find it incredibly unlikely that the Canes will be able to sign a top tier player with 5+ years left on a deal. And the Canes don't do rentals. I think getting 2-3 years of term for a player is about as good as it gets.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 38

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palhal

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Quoting: GoCanes

But you and so many others always think just because upcoming UFA Pesce is going to superior to Lilijegren for 3 or 4 years., how does help the Leafs? Pesce is likely just one year a Leaf. Please no silliness about extensions. Similar to Marner. Canes can't depend on Marner being a Cane for more than two years.
I don't see the Leafs doing Pesce for Lilijgren straight up never mind the having to add picks.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 44

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Quoting: palhal

Interesting... I assumed this trade would come with a Pesce extension in place (or at least an agreement to the framework). I agree, this deal never happens without a Pesce extension. That is a must.

20 juin 2023 à 13 h 45

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Quoting: Caniac555

What happens when Marner walks in two years?

then the canes have to evaluate their team because if they are good why would he walk?

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20 juin 2023 à 13 h 51

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

then the canes have to evaluate their team because if they are good why would he walk?

And his contract is already super pricey... If they can afford his ~$11m contract in 2 years then they certainly can extend him at ~$12m or whatever the number might be with the cap increase.

20 juin 2023 à 14 h 5

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Caniac555

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{insert crappy small market non traditional comment here}.

The canes always evaluate their team and the reality is they must wisely use and spend the assets they have. It’s the reason why making this trade for a player with only 2 years is a hard challenge.

It’d be more plausible to trade for Nylander with a chance to talk contract extension after July 1 vs Marner.

Quoting: Herb_Brooks

then the canes have to evaluate their team because if they are good why would he walk?

20 juin 2023 à 14 h 8

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Caniac555

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You have to assume that is the case when you’re evaluating a trade like this, the same way you are assuming Pesce walks away from the Canes after this year if he’s not traded.

We are all on a website talking hockey…

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20 juin 2023 à 14 h 37

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Quoting: Caniac555

So you'd be more comfortable trading for Nylander who is on an expiring contract and due a raise and to negotiate after 7/1 vs Marner who has 2 years left and likely won't command a substantial raise? Personally, I don't understand that logic.

20 juin 2023 à 14 h 39

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Marner has no control so this is a bad deal for the Canes.
Lilj would need to be flipped because he doesn’t fit our defensive profile

20 juin 2023 à 14 h 55

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Quoting: Caniac555

I didnt say anything about a small market lol

20 juin 2023 à 14 h 57

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GoCanes

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Marner has no control so this is a bad deal for the Canes.
Lilj would need to be flipped because he doesn’t fit our defensive profile

Neither does Aho... should we go ahead and trade him too?

20 juin 2023 à 15 h 5

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ecupirate07

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Quoting: GoCanes

Neither does Aho... should we go ahead and trade him too?

Aho can be re-signed this offseason. Also this is a false equivalency since we aren’t trading assets for Aho

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