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Créé par: Rooney
Équipe: 2023-24 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 19 juin 2023
Publié: 20 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Please don't read too much into the lines/contracts/cap hit. I made this more so to get feedback on the trade value from MTL/LA/DET fans.

Are my values totally off or at least close?

Feedback either way is MUCH appreciated as I realize I am probably off.

Thanks in advance!
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 000 000 $
3787 500 $
2787 500 $
21 400 000 $
2775 000 $
23 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
55 000 000 $
1900 000 $
2775 000 $
1775 000 $
Transactions
1.
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
2.
WPG
  1. Arvidsson, Viktor
  2. Vilardi, Gabriel [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Hellebuyck, Connor (3 083 333 $ retained)
  2. Stanley, Logan [Droits de RFA]
3.
WPG
  1. McIsaac, Jared [Droits de RFA]
  2. Rasmussen, Michael
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $76 697 857 $0 $1 575 000 $6 802 143 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 3
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Kings de Los Angeles
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
800 000 $800 000 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 460 000 $1 460 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
2 166 667 $2 166 667 $
AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
G
UFA - 5
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
5 875 000 $5 875 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
900 000 $900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
5 950 000 $5 950 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
787 500 $787 500 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DG
RFA - 1
Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1

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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 4
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If that was the price... the trade would have already happened.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 7
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If that was the price... the trade would have already happened.


I do agree but I am just trying to be realistic. I am not expecting a massive haul for PLD but maybe I'm being too modest with this one.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 15
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Certainly not giving up two strong pieces (Rasmussen and 17) for a 30 year old taint that's an impending UFA.

Ship him off elsewhere.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 15
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I do agree but I am just trying to be realistic. I am not expecting a massive haul for PLD but maybe I'm being too modest with this one.


As time wears on this could very well be what it ends up being, to me every day this drags on the value stagnates a bit.

I don't see a bidding war being created at all, I can see a limited group of teams being interested and Duchois giving Jets management and his agent a short list of teams he'd be willing to sign long term with which inevitably makes the return fairly similar whether it's from NY, LA, the Habs or any other teams involved.

I just don't see NY coming in and offering a Lafreniere instead of a Dvorak or the Canes offering a Morrow instead of a Kidney if ya get what I'm saying.

Personally I'd consider keeping Scheifele if Wheeler can be traded or bought out and if they don't want to rebuild.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 16
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Certainly not giving up two strong pieces (Rasmussen and 17) for a 30 year old taint that's an impending UFA.

Ship him off elsewhere.


What???? You don't want a 50' player that likes to sit in the slot and wait for a puck and no one likes him?

Wow...
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 17
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What???? You don't want a 50' player that likes to sit in the slot and wait for a puck and no one likes him?

Wow...


**** you're right.
I think we should give a fantastic top 9 guy who is one of the few physical pieces we have AND a pick that'll be able to nurture one of our holes!!!
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 17
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Certainly not giving up two strong pieces (Rasmussen and 17) for a 30 year old taint that's an impending UFA.

Ship him off elsewhere.


No.
20 juin 2023 à 11 h 20
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As time wears on this could very well be what it ends up being, to me every day this drags on the value stagnates a bit.

I don't see a bidding war being created at all, I can see a limited group of teams being interested and Duchois giving Jets management and his agent a short list of teams he'd be willing to sign long term with which inevitably makes the return fairly similar whether it's from NY, LA, the Habs or any other teams involved.

I just don't see NY coming in and offering a Lafreniere instead of a Dvorak or the Canes offering a Morrow instead of a Kidney if ya get what I'm saying.

Personally I'd consider keeping Scheifele if Wheeler can be traded or bought out and if they don't want to rebuild.


I agree with you 100%!
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 20
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As time wears on this could very well be what it ends up being, to me every day this drags on the value stagnates a bit.

I don't see a bidding war being created at all, I can see a limited group of teams being interested and Duchois giving Jets management and his agent a short list of teams he'd be willing to sign long term with which inevitably makes the return fairly similar whether it's from NY, LA, the Habs or any other teams involved.

I just don't see NY coming in and offering a Lafreniere instead of a Dvorak or the Canes offering a Morrow instead of a Kidney if ya get what I'm saying.

Personally I'd consider keeping Scheifele if Wheeler can be traded or bought out.


It may be down to PLD negociating a contract with the few teams involved.

I doubt MTL will offer more than what Suzuki is making (7.875M$ x8y) after coercing Caufield to accept less.

LA is also bound by the cap - which makes it unlikely that they beat MTL for the dollar figure.

I expect the Kings to have the best trade offer... but they can't offer what PLD wants.... while MTL probably got a deal in place, but the trade proposal is underwhelming.

I think it will come down at the draft depending on who is available for MTL at 5.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 22
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No.


Please?
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 23
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It may be down to PLD negociating a contract with the few teams involved.

I doubt MTL will offer more than what Suzuki is making (7.875M$ x8y) after coercing Caufield to accept less.

LA is also bound by the cap - which makes it unlikely that they beat MTL for the dollar figure.

I expect the Kings to have the best trade offer... but they can't offer what PLD wants.... while MTL probably got a deal in place, but the trade proposal is underwhelming.

I think it will come down at the draft depending on who is available for MTL at 5.


I think LA can easily offer Duchois what he wants but the Jets have to take back some cap which they should be willing to do cause the players the Kings would need to move are actually useful players that the Jets could use BUT the Jets are stupid and would probably balk at taking an Arvidsson and/or Iafallo... 🙄.. lol 😆
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 28
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
As time wears on this could very well be what it ends up being, to me every day this drags on the value stagnates a bit.

I don't see a bidding war being created at all, I can see a limited group of teams being interested and Duchois giving Jets management and his agent a short list of teams he'd be willing to sign long term with which inevitably makes the return fairly similar whether it's from NY, LA, the Habs or any other teams involved.

I just don't see NY coming in and offering a Lafreniere instead of a Dvorak or the Canes offering a Morrow instead of a Kidney if ya get what I'm saying.

Personally I'd consider keeping Scheifele if Wheeler can be traded or bought out and if they don't want to rebuild.


Keeping Scheifele would be an absolute mistake. Dude has quit on 3 coaches. Bowness was clearly pissed right off by the way scheifele was playing the last half of the year. Can’t continue to allow this toxic culture to grow.

Think LA is where Dubois ends up. Feel like Chevy would lick his chops at the idea of bringing in arvidsson. If LA is willing to move Vilardi think it gets done.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 31
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It may be down to PLD negociating a contract with the few teams involved.

I doubt MTL will offer more than what Suzuki is making (7.875M$ x8y) after coercing Caufield to accept less.

LA is also bound by the cap - which makes it unlikely that they beat MTL for the dollar figure.

I expect the Kings to have the best trade offer... but they can't offer what PLD wants.... while MTL probably got a deal in place, but the trade proposal is underwhelming.

I think it will come down at the draft depending on who is available for MTL at 5.


What are your thoughts on how things play out if Smith is gone at 5? Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith.

Does MTL take a chance on Michkov? Do they trade out of the pick? Do they take a Dman?
20 juin 2023 à 11 h 34
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Please?


Okay smile
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 35
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Kings decline, no rental goalie is worth that much.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 36
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Kings decline, no rental goalie is worth that much.


I should have clarified...I made this trade assuming Helle extends. My bad,
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 39
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I should have clarified...I made this trade assuming Helle extends. My bad,


Fair enough, but I still don't think the Kings do that considering how large the extension would likely be and with their current cap situation.
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20 juin 2023 à 11 h 43
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Fair enough, but I still don't think the Kings do that considering how large the extension would likely be and with their current cap situation.


Fair point man!
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20 juin 2023 à 12 h 2
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
As time wears on this could very well be what it ends up being, to me every day this drags on the value stagnates a bit.

I don't see a bidding war being created at all, I can see a limited group of teams being interested and Duchois giving Jets management and his agent a short list of teams he'd be willing to sign long term with which inevitably makes the return fairly similar whether it's from NY, LA, the Habs or any other teams involved.

I just don't see NY coming in and offering a Lafreniere instead of a Dvorak or the Canes offering a Morrow instead of a Kidney if ya get what I'm saying.

Personally I'd consider keeping Scheifele if Wheeler can be traded or bought out and if they don't want to rebuild.


Couldn't agree more. Keep Scheifele. We will not be able to replace a 40 goal scorer. I don't believe in all of the noise about him. His teammates voted for him to be a leader, so it cannot be that bad. I have also never heard a single player come out and actually name him specifically, just a bunch of assumptions. He is a good hockey player who just needs consistency, not different line mates all of the time. plus/minus is a stupid stat. There are always 5 other players on the ice that contribute to that stat.
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20 juin 2023 à 12 h 32
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Quoting: WPGSK
What???? You don't want a 50' player that likes to sit in the slot and wait for a puck and no one likes him?

Wow...


Who doesn't like him? I like him, his teammates like him. I would keep him here for his whole career.
 
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