Like he should be, but that is quite the return

Is he utterly untouchable? No. I would trade him for
one of two players in the league, not for a package of picks.

Those players are not on Montreal's roster.

Zegras is not very effective. He will be a great 2C behind Fantilli, but he could be a better player if he drops some of his “fanciness”. Personally, I rather have a much more effective Leonard and more good assets than Zegras, who might still be 2C behind Zuki

michkov too risky ? or is it just not enough ?
what about dach instead of beck ?

I'd rather Mcbain over Zegras
I know Hughes was runner up on Mcbain sweepstakes

Zegras is amazing and i want him
But only for the right price and he's Pricey.(or im cheap lol)
If im overpaying i'd want Mcbain a Goal Scoring top 5 hitter in the league(basically a young Lowry maybe a little better)

Zegras is fancy as hell
But Mcbain plays Anderson style hockey you need in the playoffs

Then MTL fans get mad as i was already annoyed about giving up Beck who's a type of player we havent had in years.(a Prick like Marchand who will lick someone to play mind games ahahha)

you make it sound pretty good lol, you're taking leonard > michkov ?

He isnt wrong
I love Michkov but he's a pure Goal Scorer that it.
No Physicality , Blocked Shots or defensive play in him
Just PP and Offense where he shines like few other Goal Scorers will

But Leonard is a more complete player with a higher playmaking ability and vision.
Michkov dont need anyone to succeed so those around him are involved infrequently
Leonard makes everyone on the ice better elevating the lines play not just his.

One's a 1st line guy
The other is a middle 6 guy
Easiest Comparable is Panarin and Zabinajeb i'd wager.
They're close but not really , important but for different roles

Not play wise, but I do think Leonard is a better pick than a very risky Michkov. I think there are real risks that Michkov doesn’t come in 3 years and MTL cannot afford that

Mitchkov is incredibly risky. His father was murdered by the Russian mob a couple months ago, belief is that he was trying to break his sons contract to get him out of Russia earlier. Who knows when you get him, if you get him at all.

As far as Zegras goes, we already know we have a star in him, and we can move him to the wing where we have minimal star talent as it is. At this point he is taking on a very Dach like trajectory where he is so bad at faceoffs he might get pushed to wing where his other talents can shine. Otherwise he's got all the talent needed for Center, so maybe that translates to a great 2 way game winger, well have to see. Maybe we take Carlsson instead of Fantilli giving us McTavish Zegras Lundestrom down the middle with Carlsso and Terry on the wings.

The only way I trade Zegras is for a young top pairing RHD with size that is the complete package. Guys like Moritz Seider or Noah Dobson. Trading Zegras for futures makes no sense for the Ducks.

Zegras is extremely effective. He’s already one of the better transition centers in the league. At worst he’s a high end 2C right now, and there’s a high chance he’s a top 20 center through this prime

He’s also miles better than suzuki

Rather Suzuki, and by a bigger margin than you would think. Sorry. The fact that Zegras has the same amount of points as last year is a red flag. I don’t see Zegras as good as people think, and I can guarantee you that if he wasn’t scoring highlight real goals, he would not be nearly as liked

That’s because you’re biased lol, being on a 66 pt pace in his age 20 and 21 seasons is a red flag ? I don’t think you’re aware that quality of teammates plays a bigger role in production than anything.

Zegras is elite at many aspects of the game. Passing, transition, puck skills and he’s above average defensively.

I can guarantee you there’s nothing you can argue that proves suzuki is better than zegras based on their on ice impact

In each of the passes 2 seasons, zegras has more goals per 60 and primary assists than suzuki

circle smileys">

Suzuki is a much better play maker than Zegras, better team leader (not saying Zegras is bad at it, just Suzuki is better). He is solid defensively and once MTL comes out of the garbage, he could be top 20 for selke. With a healthy Caufield to finish Suzuki’s dishes and a better team overall, Suzuki breezes past 80 points. Just look at what Suzuki did in the beginning of the season. In the first 20 games, he was like top 15 players in points with a 100 point pace. He wasn’t able to sustain it, but that weirdly correlated with the massive amounts of injuries MTL were starting to have. Suzuki has a super underrated offense because he doesn’t make the highlight reels as much as other players.

If Suzuki is a better playmaker , why does zegras have more primary assists in each of the past 2 seasons?

Suzuki was getting lucky at the beginning of the season, he was getting a ton of secondary assists . His production was always going to come back to earth.

Goal scoring - zegras
Playmaking - Zegras
Skating - Zegras
Puck skills- Zegras
Transition - Zegras
Defense - Suzuki
Powerplay - Zegras
Leadership - Suzuki


There is no argument to be made that suzuki is better than zegras . It’s not close

I would argue

Goal scoring: Z
Playmaking: Zuki
Skating: Z
Puck skills: Z
Transition: Tie
Defense: Zuki
Powerplay: Tie
Leader: Zuki

I think the fact that you ignore secondary assists shows that you don’t completely understand playmaking. In hockey, secondary assists is the base of play, and it is as important as a primary assist. However, I’ll give it to you, its much closer that I originally thought. But lets end this discussion here as we got completely off track the original discussion was Leonard v Zegras

Cole Caufield, Kent Hughes and Trevor Zegras
(?)

Strongly agree.

Zegras > Suzuki

And Zegras is underrated defensively.

Interesting. Kent should offer Beck and #5 overall for McBain and see what happens.