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Looking for feedback on trade cost - again

Créé par: KrakenTheCode

Équipe: 2023-24 Kraken de Seattle

Date de création initiale: 17 juin 2023

Publié: 17 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

As I've said before, I believe this offseason will be a quiet one for the Kraken, and they will likely spend most of their time and cap space re-signing their RFAs and making more subtle additions to round out the roster. However, the potential remains for them to make a big splash via the trade market. Based on reporting in recent weeks, I've identified four high level players who might be available and would both fit the Kraken and make the team better. As such, I'm looking for opinions from these players' current team's fanbase on what they think their franchise would be looking for in return. Those players are:

Noah Hanifin, LD, Calgary Flames
Travis Konecny, RW, Philadelphia Flyers
Alex DeBrincat, LW, Ottawa Senators
Erik Karlsson, RD, San Jose Sharks

I've included on the main roster every Seattle player who could be competing for a roster spot in the NHL next year, and re-signed all RFAs to give people an idea of what they will likely get on their next contract. In the scratches column are Kraken prospects of note.

Thanks in advance!

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Borgen, William	4	2 500 000 $
Dunn, Vince	8	7 000 000 $
Fleury, Cale	2	850 000 $
Geekie, Morgan	2	1 750 000 $
Lind, Kole	2	850 000 $
Sprong, Daniel	3	2 250 000 $
DeBrincat, Alex	8	8 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Daccord, Joey		2	1 100 000 $

Transactions

SEA

Hanifin, Noah

CGY

What would Calgary want?

Fit with Seattle: Hanifin's a bonafide top four defenseman who is effective on both ends of the ice and is still in his prime. He would fill the void left by Soucy with someone even better. Making the money work on adding him is relatively simple and Calgary wouldn't have to take back salary if they didn't want to. I do think trading for Hanifin is only feasible if he agrees to an extension beforehand or if Seattle is confident they can lock him up before he reaches free agency next year.

SEA

Konecny, Travis

PHI

What would Philadelphia want?

Fit with Seattle: Konecny's a goalscorer who scored above a point per game, something none of Seattle's forwards have done..yet. He's also under contract for two seasons at a reasonable rate, so Seattle wouldn't have to shed much salary. One of their depth forwards would likely be on the move in this scenario to clear roster space, depending on who that is they could be sent to the Flyers in the deal or elsewhere for assets.

SEA

DeBrincat, Alex [Droits de RFA]

OTT

What would Ottawa want?

Fit with Seattle: DeBrincat's another goalscoring winger in his prime; even if he had a down season, he contributes elsewhere on the ice besides putting pucks in the net, something the Kraken front office really values. Weirdly, fitting him on the roster was more difficult than Karlsson. The Kraken would likely have to move out two forwards in order to afford his salary. Perhaps they could be sent to Ottawa as part of the return for DeBrincat if the Senators had interest.

SEA

Karlsson, Erik (2 500 000 $ retained)

SJS

What would San Jose want?

Fit with Seattle: Karlsson's contract term combined with his age makes me nervous, and trading for him would be a bigger risk than anyone else on this list. However, he's also an elite offensive RD who would be a boon to Seattle's power play, something that needs improvement. In this scenario the Sharks retain $2M-$2.5M of his cap hit; any less and the Kraken wouldn't be able to fit him onto the roster, any more and it would hinder the Sharks. At a cap hit of $9-$9.5M, Seattle would still have to move money out, but fitting Karlsson under the cap was surprisingly feasible.

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
34	83 500 000 $	88 114 352 $	129 910 $	1 965 000 $	-4 614 352 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
McCann, Jared 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Beniers, Matthew 897 500 $897 500 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) C RFA - 1	Eberle, Jordan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Schwartz, Jaden 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG NMC UFA - 3	Wennberg, Alexander 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1	Burakovsky, André 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 4
Tolvanen, Eeli 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Gourde, Yanni 5 166 666 $5 166 666 $ C, AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Bjorkstrand, Oliver 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 3
Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Geekie, Morgan 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ C, AD RFA - 2	Sprong, Daniel 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Kartye, Tye 859 167 $859 167 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG, C RFA - 2	Wright, Shane 918 333 $918 333 $ C RFA - 4	Lind, Kole 850 000 $850 000 $ AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dunn, Vince 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Larsson, Adam 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Grubauer, Philipp 5 900 000 $5 900 000 $ G NTC UFA - 4
Oleksiak, Jamie 4 600 000 $4 600 000 $ DG/DD NTC UFA - 3	Borgen, William 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Daccord, Joey 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ G UFA - 2
Evans, Ryker 897 500 $897 500 $ DG RFA - 2	Schultz, Justin 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Driedger, Chris 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Megna, Jaycob 762 500 $762 500 $ DG UFA - 1	Fleury, Cale 850 000 $850 000 $ DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Winterton, Ryan 828 333 $828 333 $ C RFA - 3		Hanifin, Noah 1 237 500 $1 237 500 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1
Ottavainen, Ville 867 500 $867 500 $ (57 500 $$58K) DD RFA - 3		Konecny, Travis 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Melanson, Jacob 826 111 $826 111 $ AD RFA - 3		DeBrincat, Alex 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4
Firkus, Jagger 923 333 $923 333 $ AD RFA - 4		Karlsson, Erik 7 500 000 $7 500 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 4
Nyman, Jani 923 333 $923 333 $ AG, AD RFA - 4
Kokko, Niklas 923 333 $923 333 $ G RFA - 4
Goyette, David 923 333 $923 333 $ C RFA - 4
Nelson, Ty 867 500 $867 500 $ DD RFA - 4

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 12

GuyGuyGuy

Prime Primeau

Rejoint: avr. 2023

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Hanifin cost a first and another smaller piece
Konecny cost the equivalent of two first and a second
Debrincat cost Firkkus, a first and another piece
Karlsson cost a first, a B prospect and salary going back

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 13

Armetholist

Rejoint: juin 2023

Messages: 68

Mentions "j'aime": 38

Honestly for DeBrincat you'd want to maxmize what you're getting in return but it was mentioned that sens offer last year was the best one that was offered for him. Based on that and considering his down season + No term i'd say a mid-late first and two seconds, or perhaps a high first and a third, something along those lines but Pierre Dorion is a professional moron so honestly anything could happen. I would assume they take him to arbitration and don't trade him but that's just the return i'd assume if they want to trade him.

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 15

LosPatos

Rejoint: déc. 2019

Messages: 3,381

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I think the only one here that makes sense is Konecny. I think a trade would look like:

Tolvanen
Robertson ?
2023 1st Round Pick
2023 2nd Round Pick (WPG)

That’s just a plain guess though. I think Flyers fans could ask for more. But that’s just me.

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17 juin 2023 à 15 h 19

Steven_Stamkos

Rejoint: févr. 2023

Messages: 1,152

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I think these could all be great fits for Seattle. I hadn’t thought about Hanifin and Konecny but they both seem like they would fit like a glove in Seattle. Seattle doesn’t really have a ton of movable pieces that I think would interest Philly. With a thin prospect pool, I think you would have to dig into your draft picks to take a swing at Konecny but I’m all for it. Calgary would have more interest in roster players since they aren’t tearing down the house.

17 juin 2023 à 15 h 19

OldSchool

Rejoint: juin 2023

Messages: 288

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In terms of Konecny to Seattle the cost would be something like a 1st in 2023, future 2nd round pick, and ONE OF Goyette or Nelson. If you want the Flyers to take some salary back bump up the future 2nd to a 2023 second for sure.

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17 juin 2023 à 15 h 57

Rob32sjsharks

Rejoint: avr. 2020

Messages: 11,339

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Quoting: OldSchool

That almost seems like an underpayment but yea he would be a solid addition and fill a need.

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17 juin 2023 à 16 h 10

emoprettyboy

Rejoint: févr. 2022

Messages: 2,041

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moving out a forward + some extra for debrincat makes too much sense for both teams. something like gourde or burakovsky + Seattle’s 1st seems really solid

17 juin 2023 à 18 h 46

Xspyrit

Rejoint: juill. 2016

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For DeBrincat I would want :

Adam Larsson + Eeli Tolvanen

OR

Andre Burakovsky + Eeli Tolvanen

OR

Any combination of Larsson/Burakovsky + Gourde/Bjorkstrand/Schwartz

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