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A failure without any of these players coming back

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8 juin 2023 à 18 h 56
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Turbo for Cat = deals no takes backs
8 juin 2023 à 18 h 57
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Turbo for Cat = deals no takes backs


Carolina would need to add more. Soon to be 29 year old rental. It wouldn’t be close to a 1 for 1
8 juin 2023 à 18 h 59
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Just going by your comments and posts…we had a deal, no?

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Carolina would need to add more. Soon to be 29 year old rental. It wouldn’t be close to a 1 for 1
8 juin 2023 à 18 h 59
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Carolina would need to add more. Soon-to-be 29-year-old rental. It wouldn’t be close to a 1 for 1


Okay so add in a prospect not named Morrow or Nikishin or picks
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 0
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Just going by your comments and posts…we had a deal, no?


I said includes these players. Not all of them go for a 1 for 1
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 0
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Quoting: seanrushton
Okay so add in a prospect not named Morrow or Nikishin or picks


Assuming Carolina is on his list , probably looking at Turbo, Heimosalmi , 30th overall and a 2nd
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8 juin 2023 à 19 h 5
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Assuming Carolina is on his list , probably looking at Turbo, Heimosalmi , 30th overall and a 2nd


Deal
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 8
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The issue is, with the exception of Teravainen, DeBrusk and maybe Mangiapane, DeBrincat has less value than every player on here
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 9
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The issue is, with the exception of Teravainen, DeBrusk and maybe Mangiapane, DeBrincat has less value than every player on here


Disagree . Dorion will do exactly what happened with Tkachuk and Fiala and negotiate a sign and trade to one of the 10 teams he submitted.
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 12
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Only reason Columbus would consider moving Laine is if they got a 1c back. Maybe there could be a conversation around Laine and 2nd or a prospect like LDBB for Norris, but Columbus really isn’t interested in Cat.
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 13
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Disagree . Dorion will do exactly what happened with Tkachuk and Fiala and negotiate a sign and trade to one of the 10 teams he submitted.


That's all well and good... Cat isn't as good at Tkachuk or Fiala. He's not getting players like Necas who had better seasons and ourproduced him. He's not returning a 44 goal scorer like Nylander who will likely be cheaper against the cap next year anyway, the same can be said for Ehlers, and almost everyone here.
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 13
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That's all well and good... Cat isn't as good at Tkachuk or Fiala. He's not getting players like Necas who had better seasons and ourproduced him. He's not returning a 44 goal scorer like Nylander who will likely be cheaper against the cap next year anyway, the same can be said for Ehlers, and almost everyone here.


Are we forgetting what Necas produced last year or even what Debrincat had last year or are we going off recency bias as usual and only going off 1 season? Lmao
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 16
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Stankoven should be a no go. Very similar player to Cat on an entry level contract. Prospects are never a sure thing but keeping Stankoven looks to be the much smarter decision from a cap perspective. Ottawa would have to take back Faksa and Marchment to make a Cat to Dallas deal work
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 19
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Are we forgetting what Necas produced last year or even what Debrincat had last year or are we going off recency bias as usual and only going off 1 season? Lmao


Break out years happen all the time. Necas is the same as as Bratt was last year during his break out season. So was Bratt last year only as good as what he did the years before that too? Lmao.

Also, this is Cat's 1st season away from Patrick Kane and he regressed. Not just in overall totals, but his analytics went backwards too. That's a bad sign.

Even if you want to look at Cat's last few years, Tkachuk was traded after a 102 point season. Cat's broken 70 what twice? Fiala had an 85 point season the year he was dealt. Cat had 68. They're not comparable
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 20
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Stankoven should be a no go. Very similar player to Cat on an entry level contract. Prospects are never a sure thing but keeping Stankoven looks to be the much smarter decision from a cap perspective. Ottawa would have to take back Faksa and Marchment to make a Cat to Dallas deal work


Ottawa would take back those cap if they’re getting a very valuable player on an ELC. But they’re not taking Marchment and Faksa just to get a late 1st
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8 juin 2023 à 19 h 36
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I said includes these players. Not all of them go for a 1 for 1
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8 juin 2023 à 19 h 51
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Bruins can't afford Debrincat so just count them out of those sweepstakes
8 juin 2023 à 20 h 57
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Well, I guess the trade will be a failure then, since the majority of these ideas are just delusion.
8 juin 2023 à 21 h 0
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Well, I guess the trade will be a failure then, since the majority of these ideas are just delusion.

You’re delusional with your Suzuki and 30th overall
8 juin 2023 à 21 h 12
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You’re delusional with your Suzuki and 30th overall


And since when have I proposed that? Other Canes fans sure, but I’m fairly sure that I have not suggested that. I don’t think the highest of ADB, especially with his value at an all time low. Would love to see what the Canes can do with ADB, but a return investment on ADB wasn’t earned this year, let alone a net positive. Whether you agree or not, I really don’t care.
9 juin 2023 à 11 h 43
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Ottawa would take back those cap if they’re getting a very valuable player on an ELC. But they’re not taking Marchment and Faksa just to get a late 1st


Right and I feel like it would take Stankoven to make that deal work and I don’t think Dallas should do that. You’re after the right prospect tho
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