Seattles Hart offer

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Créé par: Random_internet_guy_1967

Équipe: 2023-24 Kraken de Seattle

Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2023

Publié: 7 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Hart being shopped is really interesting, because the FA goalie landscape was looking pretty dry, and with Philly finally committed to tanking, we could finally see Hart go to an actually good hockey team (no offense flyers fans). All this is cool, but Hart has yet to actually prove him self, not in caliber, we know he can play at a level akin top goalie in the league, but rather his consistency is suspect. This means that Hart is an interesting case of risk for reward, with massive payoff if things work out, but massive loss if you spend your entire future on a guy who can't stay above a .900 sv%. Seattle is in a perfect position to go after a guy like this, with their goaltending already being questionable, but hopeful after the playoffs, a butt-load of futures and movable assets, and a solid D core and overall solid team to assist whoever they put between the pipes. Another reason I think Seattle should acquire him is because I don't want to see a Skinner-Hart tandem in Edmonton, who is the rumored front runner for him, as I think the team's overall lack of defense that is compensated with excessive offense is not a good team model for Hart to play on. The Grzelcyk trade just feels obvious for a cap shedding Bruins team and a Seattle team looking to replace Soucy.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Borgen, William	2	2 200 000 $
Sprong, Daniel	1	3 000 000 $
Geekie, Morgan	3	1 850 000 $
Fleury, Cale	1	1 000 000 $
Dunn, Vince	6	6 700 000 $
Lind, Kole	2	1 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Daccord, Joey	1	900 000 $
Olofsson, Gustav	1	900 000 $
Hayden, John	1	900 000 $

Transactions

SEA

Hart, Carter

Détails additionnels:

Seattle keeps their 2023 1st and still lands a potentially future franchise goalie (if he can play with some consistency), all without losing any big roster players, that's the exact direction this team should want to go.

PHI

Driedger, Chris
Goyette, David
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (SEA)

Détails additionnels:

Philly gets a 1st next year, a 2nd this year, a B grade prospect, and a goalie replacement who isn't on a terrible contract, and isn't awful. This fits the teams new outlook after they finally decided to invest in tanking, and it'll be interesting to see if other teams have the supply of picks and prospects, as well as the demand for an inconsistent goalie who's still young. I doubt a team is willing to bid more on a goalie with so much risk involved, but I guess we'll see.

SEA

Grzelcyk, Matt

BOS

Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (SEA)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (SEA)

Rachats de contrats

Jaden Schwartz: 444 445 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	77 714 188 $	129 910 $	1 907 500 $	5 785 812 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kartye, Tye 859 167 $859 167 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG, C RFA - 2	Beniers, Matthew 897 500 $897 500 $ (1 850 000 $$2M) C RFA - 1	Burakovsky, André 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 4
McCann, Jared 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Wennberg, Alexander 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1	Eberle, Jordan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Tolvanen, Eeli 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Gourde, Yanni 5 166 666 $5 166 666 $ C, AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Bjorkstrand, Oliver 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 3
Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Geekie, Morgan 1 850 000 $1 850 000 $ C, AD RFA - 2	Sprong, Daniel 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dunn, Vince 6 700 000 $6 700 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Larsson, Adam 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Grubauer, Philipp 5 900 000 $5 900 000 $ G NTC UFA - 4
Oleksiak, Jamie 4 600 000 $4 600 000 $ DG/DD NTC UFA - 3	Borgen, William 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Hart, Carter 3 979 000 $3 979 000 $ G RFA - 1
Grzelcyk, Matt 3 687 500 $3 687 500 $ DG UFA - 1	Schultz, Justin 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Hayden, John 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1
Olofsson, Gustav 900 000 $900 000 $ DG UFA - 2
Daccord, Joey 900 000 $900 000 $ G UFA - 2

7 juin 2023 à 10 h 12

Hammerwise

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I dont know, Dreiger is pretty much a cap dump, hes got 3 nhl seasons and hes 29 yrs old, coming off an injury and making 3.5mil. I think he has negative value.

The 1st and 2nd and prospect is probably close to what it takes, but Im thinking the inclusion of Dreidger requires more from SEA.

And while PHI is listening to offers, they dont have to trade Hart and only will do so for an overpayment, and I dont think this is it

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7 juin 2023 à 10 h 15

Schood1c

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The Bruins could easily get more for Gryz than a 3rd and 4th, but he is on the block if you wanna try again

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7 juin 2023 à 10 h 17

Gofnut999

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Boston declines. Offer that Hart package without the 1st to Boston for Ullmark and it’s a go.

Can add Grizz or Forbort for mid round pick to the mix.

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7 juin 2023 à 11 h 10

Quillanrocks

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Quoting: Hammerwise

You're probably right on the value given Driedger's addition to the deal. I think Francis rolls it back to start this season with Grubauer/Driedger as his tandem, personally.

As far as a return of value for Hart, from any team, I wonder how affected it may be by the Team Canada report looming overhead and what it may mean for players named as being involved, etc. Bit of unknown risk there to inquiring teams. Also, there are reasons Briere is gaging interest in Hart, one of which is the uncertainty of his play in general. Sure, Ersson has turned some heads and is a factor, but if his play were consistent, Briere probably wouldn't be trying to boost value and gaging the market as he is. JMO

13 juin 2023 à 4 h 30

Celtics21

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Quoting: Gofnut999

Boston declines. Offer that Hart package without the 1st to Boston for Ullmark and it’s a go.

Can add Grizz or Forbort for mid round pick to the mix.

I disagree on both fronts.

I believe Boston takes that offer for Gryz in a heartbeat. I’d prefer a late 2nd in the package even if we give back a pick.

I don’t think Boston takes Dreiger unless the intention is to cut him. If he’s included, Reilly is going back to Seattle

13 juin 2023 à 9 h 30

Gofnut999

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Quoting: Celtics21

3rd /4th in a heartbeat? You know how little value there is in those picks?

Typical 4th round produces 1 or 2 average NHLers, a few spare parts, and large pile of never make its. 3rd isn’t that much better. Picks after 75 are just lottery scratchers, you’d like to win something decent, be content just getting another ticket, but most likely a loser.

The odds of getting absolutely nothing out of those 2 picks are significantly higher than pulling a player of similar caliber to Grizz.

Depending on how the rest of their offseason plays out, unless they can get a pick in the 45-65 range for him they are better off keeping him rather than move him and have to replace him in a weak free agent class. If moving him means they sign Ryan Graves for 1m more than Grizz, i will move him for nothing. But if they just replacing him with 3rd pair types via free agency they better get some value.

What they would do in heartbeat Ully/Grizz for that Hart package, they would trip over themselves to accept it. Ully for 2nd/Goyette/Driedger they accept quickly as well. Driedger would be flipped, buried, or bought out.

13 juin 2023 à 10 h 33

Celtics21

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Quoting: Gofnut999

Fair. I’d rather trade Forbort and/or Reilly and keep Gryz if all things are equal. I’d like to get a second for him even if it means giving up a later pick. That probably should be an expectation.

I believe Driedger (like Reilly) has value if your retain 1/2 their money. I assume you really like Goyette. I did.

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