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Créé par: FarhanLuigi

Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2023

Publié: 7 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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The Granlund buyout is not worth it. Its far too much money wasted. Yamamoto from the Oilers would be a decent buyout option because he's under 26 years old and its only a third of the price of a typical buyout. Oilers wont pay to dump him but he can be had cheap. And, when you buyout Granlund, you need to replace the player which adds to the cost. You don't waste cap space in another ALL IN year. Dubas is creative enough to trade Granlund away at a cost down the road. And there is a cost as we saw with Petersen. Cap space is gold right now. Whether you agree or not, that is the market. I understand you think you can do better unlike your own personal debt but we are talking about the current NHL reality so please leave your bias to your own finances at home. These trades are taking into account the feasibility of trades in this market. 1M isnt a big increase in cap especially with the bonus overages a lot of teams deal with. If anything the cap is tighter this year than the last few years.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Poehling, Ryan	1	850 000 $
O'Connor, Drew	2	850 000 $
Smith, Ty	1	900 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Zucker, Jason	3	5 000 000 $
Archibald, Josh	2	875 000 $
Kerfoot, Alexander	2	2 750 000 $
O'Reilly, Ryan	2	5 000 000 $

Transactions

PIT

Campbell, Jack
Yamamoto, Kailer
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

Granlund is a must move off their cap and they need assets. Yamamotto will be useful as a bottom 6. Campbell had a much better finish with the Oilers and can be bet on the same as Petersen with the Pens 20M in cap space this offseason. Goalies will always be overpriced/underpriced according to trends. They are simply a wild card which boy wonder can exploit. This is a much better price than going after Gibson with question marks and a downward trend.

EDM

Détails additionnels:

Oilers need less term to sign the Draisaitl extension and their cap desperately needs space. Granlund cap comes off in 2025 right when Leon needs an extension. Oilers get their short term cap relief and long term. They will have to pay for it same as the KIngs. Campbell is a negative value. Yamamoto can be bought out easily, the value is negligible. Term is the difference here

PIT

Scheifele, Mark (3 062 500 $ retained)

WPG

Pickering, Owen
Poulin, Samuel
Rutta, Jan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)

PIT

Knight, Spencer

Détails additionnels:

Another risky goalie option. Neither has proven to be full time starters. Expensive but each option removes bad cap in Carter and Granlund. The Pens need an overhaul in nets more than anything with high reward after past playoff failures because of goaltending. Knight and Campbell have proven to be stellar in the post season in recent years,

FLA

Carter, Jeff
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)

Détails additionnels:

Bob and Spencer combine to make 15M AAV for the next 3 years. One has to go in a hard cap. It wont be Bob with a full NTC. Knight isnt going close to his draft value

PIT

Anderson, Josh (500 000 $ retained)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)

Détails additionnels:

The 4 year term is the same as Campbell. The next 2-3 years are paramount with the Pens stars contracts. The 4th year will be flushed. Anderson style of play will be in demand after the Vegas and Florid a runs where size and grit have meant everything. I can see Dubas also signing Bunting instead but Anderson is the type of player that will wake up a team with big hits, punishing play and not piss off officials unlike Bunting. The Pens need a presence in the post season not a distraction. This is a cheap price instead of fighting to sign a Bunting in free agency.

MTL

Yamamoto, Kailer
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)

Détails additionnels:

Yama maybe can resurrect his career at only 24 years of age. He fits the Habs window or he can not tendered same as Gurianov with a 3.2M qualifier next season. Chances are that he wont be offered another contract but is dealt at the TDL with retention. Habs move from 31st to 14th overall.

PIT

Pesce, Brett

Détails additionnels:

The trade is 1 for 1

CAR

Guentzel, Jake

Détails additionnels:

Carolina needs scoring desperately after another failure with no goals to be found.1 year contracts remain for each

Rachats de contrats

Jack Johnson: 916 667 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	79 298 092 $	0 $	0 $	4 201 908 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Scheifele, Mark 3 062 500 $3 062 500 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
Anderson, Josh 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Malkin, Evgeni 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rakell, Rickard 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 5
Zucker, Jason 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C UFA - 4	Kerfoot, Alexander 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 2
O'Connor, Drew 850 000 $850 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Poehling, Ryan 850 000 $850 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Archibald, Josh 875 000 $875 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Pesce, Brett 4 025 000 $4 025 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 4
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 825 000 $825 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Letang, Kris 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Knight, Spencer 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G RFA - 3
Friedman, Mark 775 000 $775 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Petry, Jeff 2 343 750 $2 343 750 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Ruhwedel, Chad 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Nylander, Alexander 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1
Smith, Ty 900 000 $900 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 1

7 juin 2023 à 8 h 19

ecupirate07

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Canes still pass. We wouldn’t play JGs next deal so we’ll keep Pesce

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7 juin 2023 à 8 h 49

jpsnow13

You know nothing JS

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MTL isnt interested in salary retention for Anderson or a small winger. Anderson for PIT 1st or we will gladly keep him.

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7 juin 2023 à 8 h 51

BadaBing

Go Habs Go

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HABS want get to Bigger not smaller

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7 juin 2023 à 9 h 17

JSEB93

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The Granlund buyout is 100% worth it.

Please no Anderson please

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7 juin 2023 à 9 h 56

OldNYIfan

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This is a VERY bad idea for the Oilers.

Why should Edmonton pay a first- and second-round draft pick to dump Campbell NOW? This situation isn't anywhere close to the circumstances surrounding yesterday's Los Angeles cap dump, because as you acknowledge, the Oilers' need for cap space doesn't become acute until the summer of 2025.

Exchanging Campbell for Granlund has some merit for the Oilers for the reason you mention, and I'm willing to concede that maybe Edmonton should contribute something to reflect the marginal benefit the swap has for the Oilers (namely, solving what might not be a problem down the road), but the difference in value between Yamamoto and DeSmith (including term) should cover that discrepancy, if it exists.

7 juin 2023 à 10 h 40

Caniac2000

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Canes pass. At best, theose players are of equal skill at different positions. Pesce has the better contract, is more difficult to replace, and plays the more valuable position. If you want Guentzel to Carolina, futures go back. Not core pieces.

And your brainless take of "Carolina needs scoring desperately"... what? Did you just forget Svechnikov was out all postseason? Imagine Malkin was out all postseason and Pittsburgh got to the conference finals back when he was good. Would you call that a failure? Exactly. Stop it

7 juin 2023 à 11 h 36

SKWPG

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WPG says DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUHUHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

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7 juin 2023 à 15 h 37

FarhanLuigi

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OldSLIMEfan

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Quoting: JSEB93

The Granlund buyout is 100% worth it.

No, its not! As explained, its over 4 years with 1.8M AAV through 2027 and not half the league minimum contrary to Yamamoto.

Quoting: Caniac2000

Canes pass. At best, teose players are of equal skill at different positions. Pesce has the better contract, is more difficult to replace, and plays the more valuable position. If you want Guentzel to Carolina, futures go back. Not core pieces.

And your brainless take of "Carolina needs scoring desperately"... what? Did you just forget Svechnikov was out all postseason? Imagine Malkin was out all postseason and Pittsburgh got to the conference finals back when he was good. Would you call that a failure? Exactly. Stop it

"Brainless" lol. Its the literal meaning. They cant score goals. Nothing is brainless unless you can't extract the greater meaning behind the fact. Lets try your language... ... what? Did you forget that Svechnikov played in the playoffs the previous 4 seasons? Imagine Pacioretty out all postseason and Carolina got to the conference finals but getting swept. Would you call that a success? Exactly. Stop it

Quoting: jpsnow13

MTL isnt interested in salary retention for Anderson or a small winger. Anderson for PIT 1st or we will gladly keep him.

Anderson without 500k retention is a deal breaker for a cap team. I'm sure Hughes will not object too much. Yamamoto can be pushed elsewhere or bought out at 400k each of the next 2 seasons. The Florida 1st isnt a deal breaker. Can be a later pick.

7 juin 2023 à 15 h 46

JSEB93

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Quoting: KyleDubasWWEFAN

No, its not! As explained, its over 4 years with 1.8M AAV through 2027 and not half the league minimum contrary to Yamamoto.

"Brainless" lol. Its the literal meaning. They cant score goals. Nothing is brainless unless you can't extract the greater meaning behind the fact. Lets try your language... ... what? Did you forget that Svechnikov played in the playoffs the previous 4 seasons? Imagine Pacioretty out all postseason and Carolina got to the conference finals but getting swept. Would you call that a success? Exactly. Stop it

Anderson without 500k retention is a deal breaker for a cap team. I'm sure Hughes will not object too much. Yamamoto can be pushed elsewhere or bought out at 400k each of the next 2 seasons. The Florida 1st isnt a deal breaker. Can be a later pick.

Yes it is. We read the description, and we know what the cost is. It's worth it. And it's not 1.8mil for 4 years - its 833,333 this season and then 1.8mil for 3 years

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7 juin 2023 à 15 h 47

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FarhanLuigi

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OldSLIMEfan

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Quoting: JSEB93

Yes it is. We read the description, and we know what the cost is. It's worth it. And it's not 1.8mil for 4 years - its 833,333 this season and then 1.8mil for 3 years

You said nothing different. Not getting into a back and forth about nonsense when every dollar here counts to make this team happen. Keep the fairy tales away.

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7 juin 2023 à 15 h 51

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JSEB93

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Quoting: KyleDubasWWEFAN

You said nothing different. Not getting into a back and forth about nonsense

Actually I did, I gave different numbers to what you gave.

And correct, it is nonsense, Everyone agrees it's worth it. Unless you can find a team to take him at full cap hit - which isn't going to happen. Certainly not for the trade proposed here

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7 juin 2023 à 18 h 26

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: KyleDubasWWEFAN

And did you notice that this season they got swept in a series where they lost by 1 goal in every single game? If Svechnikov is healthy, they win that series. Pacioretty out makes no difference. You have no meaning behind this deal for Carolina. You want to give them a pending UFA (the exact type of player they avoid like the plague, ESPECIALLY at the cost of roster pieces) to try and fix a problem that Guentzel doesn't fix? It's brainless. Stop it. Guentzel "oh scores goals". Nicely done. He plays with Crosby. Crosby made Conor Sheary a goal scorer. This is an absolutely mindless trade for Carolina that does nothing to help the team. Absolute joke. Your attempt to justify it makes it worse

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30 juin 2023 à 14 h 51

#13

FarhanLuigi

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OldSLIMEfan

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Quoting: JSEB93

And, they arent buying him out! Its confirmed now. The majority lol 2 people dont make a democracy nor a savvy crowd.

30 juin 2023 à 14 h 54

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JSEB93

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Quoting: KyleDubasWWEFAN

And, they arent buying him out! Its confirmed now. The majority lol 2 people dont make a democracy nor a savy crowd.

What are you even talking about lol

The discussion was about whether the buyout was worth it - not if 2 people making a democracy or a savvy crowd haha

30 juin 2023 à 14 h 56

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vikhodush

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Canes scored more goals than PIT last year. They don’t desperately need anything. Could they use more scoring depth? Absolutely. Healthy Svech helps with some of that and if they can upgrade top 6 then that makes sense, but they don’t desperately need to do much.

Core of the deal isn’t bad. Not sure if canes would be in on a JG extension though. Assuming they would I could see the base of the deal happening with adds on either side to even it out.

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FarhanLuigi

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OldSLIMEfan

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Quoting: Caniac2000

You want to give them a pending UFA (the exact type of player they avoid like the plague, ESPECIALLY at the cost of roster pieces) to try and fix a problem that Guentzel doesn't fix? It's brainless. Stop it. Guentzel "oh scores goals". Nicely done. He plays with Crosby. Crosby made Conor Sheary a goal scorer. This is an absolutely mindless trade for Carolina that does nothing to help the team. Absolute joke. Your attempt to justify it makes it worse

Quoting: Caniac2000

Quoting: KyleDubasWWEFAN

The bad takes from this guy. Brainless. Yup. You finally correctly described all your hockey knowledge

Don't need Guentzel, eh? lol

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26 avr. à 15 h 26

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FarhanLuigi

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OldSLIMEfan

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Quoting: JSEB93

The Granlund buyout is 100% worth it.

No. It didn't happen. And they make the playoffs if they had signed Ryan O'Reilly. Where is my apology?

Quoting: SKWPG

WPG says DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUHUHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

You're welcome. This didn't happen.

Quoting: jpsnow13

MTL isnt interested in salary retention for Anderson or a small winger. Anderson for PIT 1st or we will gladly keep him.

Still feel this way?

This is funny stuff. Nobody liked the deals originally but you all would be over the moon had they happened. And Pittsburgh has no Erik Karlsson long term. SJS would be the big losers in this ACGM.

26 avr. à 16 h 31

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JSEB93

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Quoting: KyleDubasWWEFAN

No. It didn't happen. And they make the playoffs if they had signed Ryan O'Reilly. Where is my apology?

You're welcome. This didn't happen.

Still feel this way?

This is funny stuff. Nobody liked the deals originally but you all would be over the moon had they happened. And Pittsburgh has no Erik Karlsson long term. SJS would be the big losers in this ACGM.

Not sure why you're quoting me here? Makes absolutely no sense haha

And what does ROR have to do with anything I said? What could I possibly owe you an apology for? I'll just assume you accidentally quoted me or something - give you the benefit of the doubt

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: JSEB93

Some of these ppl really like to live in a fantasy land. Its a fantasy site but that comment up there

scary.

Granlund wasn't bought out. I mean. Simply read what you wrote lol

Posters don’t take ever responsibility or leave out what they said in black/white.
Especially, one of the biggest homers here, that Manic Caniac guy, whom thinks Necas has the same value as McDavid.
Despite Necas being 25 yrs old, and coming off a 50 point season with the Canes at the cap.
He will probably reject any trade that doesn’t include a lottery pick, A+ prospect and top 6 roster player. It would be funny to see him argue with Ducks fans whom has the higher value between Zegras and Necas.

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26 avr. à 17 h 7

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: JSEB93

And correct, it is nonsense, Everyone agrees it's worth it. Unless you can find a team to take him at full cap hit - which isn't going to happen.

Quoting: JSEB93

The Granlund buyout is 100% worth it.

How is that not 4K 😂

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27 avr. à 6 h 23

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FarhanLuigi

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OldSLIMEfan

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Quoting: JSEB93

Not sure why you're quoting me here? Makes absolutely no sense haha

OMG.
I understand why u got me frustrated last year. You can't even compute what you write! Gaslighting here is that really how you admit defeat?
Yikes.

Quoting: vikhodush

Quoting: Caniac2000

to try and fix a problem that Guentzel doesn't fix? It's brainless. Stop it. Guentzel "oh scores goals". Nicely done. He plays with Crosby. Crosby made Conor Sheary a goal scorer. This is an absolutely mindless trade for Carolina that does nothing to help the team. Absolute joke. Your attempt to justify it makes it worse

Oh, they needed more scoring and Guentzel despite a few here saying that Crosby made Guentzel. Delusional takes in this thread (not yours) but you were certainly proven wrong here.
Understandable but wrong nonetheless.

29 avr. à 9 h 21

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JSEB93

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Modifié 29 avr. à 9 h 39

Quoting: Andy_Dick

Some of these ppl really like to live in a fantasy land. Its a fantasy site but that comment up there

Correct - they do. Like you and the other guy quoting me.

Brother - how about YOU read what I wrote? Nowhere did I say Granlund was bought out lol. I said the buyout was worth it - which it was

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JSEB93

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Quoting: Andy_Dick

How is that not 4K 😂

the more important question is how is it 4K?

29 avr. à 9 h 24

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JSEB93

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Modifié 29 avr. à 12 h 6

Quoting: FarhanLuigi

OMG.
I understand why u got me frustrated last year. You can't even compute what you write! Gaslighting here is that really how you admit defeat?
Yikes.

Oh, they needed more scoring and Guentzel despite a few here saying that Crosby made Guentzel. Delusional takes in this thread (not yours) but you were certainly proven wrong here.
Understandable but wrong nonetheless.

I made you frustrated for saying rational and correct statements? Yikes. I said the Granlund buyout was worth it - which it was. I stand by that. Nothing that you said proves that was a wrong statement. Not sure where the gaslighting, admitting defeat, or not knowing what I said comes into play. You're acting like I said they actually bought him out - which I never said. You're arguing against something I never said. I also never said anything about ROR. I owe you no apology.

You literally just described yourself haha. But sick deflection since you don't actually have a response.

I'll be here whenever you actually come up with a point/argument for quoting me like 10 months later.

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