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Debrincat and Chabot traded

Créé par: Conbon
Équipe: 2023-24 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 6 juin 2023
Publié: 6 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
32 000 000 $
11 125 000 $
88 500 000 $
2850 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
32 750 000 $
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OTT
  1. Guentzel, Jake
  2. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
2.
OTT
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. Toffoli, Tyler
  3. Vladar, Daniel
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
CGY
  1. DeBrincat, Alex
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2025 (OTT)
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
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6 juin 2023 à 3 h 53
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I'm so against trading Chabot. He's a great player and a huge part of the leadership core here. Would be a massive disruption to the room, no good reason to do it.

Also why are you giving Travis Hamonic 2.5mil? He added value in the mentoring of Sanderson, but he's not a good hockey player. I'd be fine with him league min as a depth guy, but he has no business in Ottawa's regular lineup, especially if you have Brannstrom sitting.
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6 juin 2023 à 4 h 6
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
I'm so against trading Chabot. He's a great player and a huge part of the leadership core here. Would be a massive disruption to the room, no good reason to do it.

Also why are you giving Travis Hamonic 2.5mil? He added value in the mentoring of Sanderson, but he's not a good hockey player. I'd be fine with him league min as a depth guy, but he has no business in Ottawa's regular lineup, especially if you have Brannstrom sitting.


Honestly didn't really think too hard on the Hamonic deal just assumed he's a passable right shot D with experience but he's older now and producing less so takes a small cut on his last deal.
6 juin 2023 à 4 h 44
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DeBrincat won't have that value since he's essentially a ufa and he's coming off a down year. The package is also more valuable than the package OTT gave.
6 juin 2023 à 5 h 26
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Thats a ridiculous overpayment from the flames
6 juin 2023 à 5 h 44
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Thats a ridiculous overpayment from the flames


Hanifin, Toffoli both expiring UFAs and Vladar as a 2.2m backup with rough stats the past 2 years doesn't command much value. This clears a ton of cap space for the Flames and they get the best, youngest roster player in the deal that fits exactly what they need. Add the 1st in and that's one of the better if not best offer they'll get. Maybe change the 3rd to something of more value along with Debrincat for balancing but I think the bones address needs all around.

Pinto instead of the 3rd too much?
6 juin 2023 à 6 h 28
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Hanifin, Toffoli both expiring UFAs and Vladar as a 2.2m backup with rough stats the past 2 years doesn't command much value. This clears a ton of cap space for the Flames and they get the best, youngest roster player in the deal that fits exactly what they need. Add the 1st in and that's one of the better if not best offer they'll get. Maybe change the 3rd to something of more value along with Debrincat for balancing but I think the bones address needs all around.

Pinto instead of the 3rd too much?
You have DeBrincat getting a return somewhat similar to what the Flames got for Tkachuk, which is a pretty big overpayment considering Tkachuk is a much better all around player, and was coming off a 100+ point season, while DeBrincat is coming off a 66 point season, and the first you are suggesting it a mid-round pick in a deep draft. Take out the first, and it's a pretty fair deal.
6 juin 2023 à 6 h 52
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Hanifin, Toffoli both expiring UFAs and Vladar as a 2.2m backup with rough stats the past 2 years doesn't command much value. This clears a ton of cap space for the Flames and they get the best, youngest roster player in the deal that fits exactly what they need. Add the 1st in and that's one of the better if not best offer they'll get. Maybe change the 3rd to something of more value along with Debrincat for balancing but I think the bones address needs all around.

Pinto instead of the 3rd too much?


So I assume we would be comparing it to the recent Tkachuk trade 1 year of Weegar is about equal to 1 year of Hanifin (Weegar is a bit better but Hanifin is younger) so they cancel each other out. Vladar is probably similar value to Cole Schwindt. Then the gap between 1 year of Toffoli and 1 year of Huberdeau as well as the 1sts that were involved.

I think it's safe to say Tkachuk is quite a bit better than DeBrincat. In term over overall impact there are very few wingers that are on the same level as Tkachuk. Marner, Pastrnak, Marchand, Kucherov, Marchand, Pavelski, Kaprizov, Rantanen, Huberdeau, Panarin, Gaudreau, Stamkos, and I guess Robertson and B. Tkachuk have entered that picture now (Kane used to be there). Basically superstar wingers. DeBrincat is at least another tier down from that with guys like Meier, Bratt, Kyrou, Nylander, Keller, Forsberg, Fiala, Reinhart, Toffoli, Benn, Necas, Buchnevich, Landeskog, Giroux, etc. 1st line caliber wingers.

I think your base of those players is close to fair but I think the picks have to be changed. If Calgary is sending back 2 of their top players then #16 is not being included. Next years of Florida's 1st in 2025 can be included instead (obviously depending on the results of the Monahan trade pick). I also wonder if Ottawa would have more interest in Tanev than Hanifin since they are kind of stacked on the right side. Also Calgary would only pay this much if DeBrincat is coming pre-signed for 8 years to lower his AAV
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6 juin 2023 à 10 h 0
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overpay for Cat and OTT has zero interest in Guentzel and pass on the PIT trade
6 juin 2023 à 11 h 29
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Hanifin, Toffoli both expiring UFAs and Vladar as a 2.2m backup with rough stats the past 2 years doesn't command much value. This clears a ton of cap space for the Flames and they get the best, youngest roster player in the deal that fits exactly what they need. Add the 1st in and that's one of the better if not best offer they'll get. Maybe change the 3rd to something of more value along with Debrincat for balancing but I think the bones address needs all around.

Pinto instead of the 3rd too much?


Come on now. All of three of Hanifin, Toffoli and Debrincat have one year of team control left as we sit here today.

Cat is what he is, and that's a one dimensional, undersized, goalscorer coming off a poor season. I'd argue Hanifin straight across is fair value.
6 juin 2023 à 18 h 54
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Come on now. All of three of Hanifin, Toffoli and Debrincat have one year of team control left as we sit here today.

Cat is what he is, and that's a one dimensional, undersized, goalscorer coming off a poor season. I'd argue Hanifin straight across is fair value.


If Debrincat's value were Hanifin 1 for 1 this deal would have been done yesterday
7 juin 2023 à 11 h 28
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If Debrincat's value were Hanifin 1 for 1 this deal would have been done yesterday


I disagree. This isn't NHL 23.. both players only have one guaranteed year of team control. Debrincat is coming off a poor season and needs a 9M QO..

Even if it were 1 for 1 how do you propose Calgary takes on 4M in salary while already needing to shed cap to begin next season?
8 juin 2023 à 19 h 15
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I disagree. This isn't NHL 23.. both players only have one guaranteed year of team control. Debrincat is coming off a poor season and needs a 9M QO..

Even if it were 1 for 1 how do you propose Calgary takes on 4M in salary while already needing to shed cap to begin next season?


Move Tanev for a 2nd and Vladar for a 4th
 
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