Take out Veleno and I see Detroit considering it.

Lol not even close, if you want take it starts with 13OA

Or take out the 41. Either way it's close.

Even if Wings have to pay a little extra; a 3rd top 20 pick will go a long way for this team.

It will be a cold day in Hell before the Flyers trade TK to their biggest rival.

Zadina, a 2nd, and a 5th
Or
2 2nds and a 4th
Or
Or 2 2nds and Hirose/Sebrango

You pick.

So the value of Pens 1st to the 3 2nds is a difference in 50 overall. Petry would take a 4th or low 3rd to move. For the sake of argument, let's go higher and use a low 3rd. That means the difference here is about 62 overall. Would Det trade Veleno for 62 overall? If the answer is yes, then this trade is about right.

I think the DET trade is very close. Add in Gruden's signing rights and I think it's good, personally.

That completely depends. He may be worth a 3rd, but should they ship him out for that?
It's close. If your prices/estimated costs are accurate; I'd do it.

MTL would do that, not sure if you retained 50% on Allen but MTL would do it half retained

I'd think Mtl would be disinclined to retain that 50%, but they could take Granlund on for a small additional asset instead of you buying him out. Idk