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Penguins realistic moves after Dubas hire

Créé par: Dunphy66
Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2023
Publié: 4 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Team is deeper, little bit younger & little bit faster. I didn't want to spend to the cap because of the pending Guentzel deal & to make sure they had some room for a deadline move if they needed to make one.

Didn't move Carter because people need to realize he's not waiving his NMC.
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4 juin 2023 à 14 h 31
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The blues would probably decline. No need for Smith and Poulin would have little interest to us
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 33
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In what world is that Blues offer even remotely realistic?
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 36
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2 things.
1. Calgary would likely loose POJ to waivers so he's far from an ideal addition for the Flames.
2. Zero chance Ty Smith passes through waivers, he should absolutely make the Penguins starting roster next year
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 38
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The blues acquired him for a 7th round pick, now they're getting goaltending depth (which they need) and former first round pick Sam Poulin who is going to be there during their rebuild. DeSmith would honestly be their #1 goalie within a month LOL
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 49
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2 things.
1. Calgary would likely loose POJ to waivers so he's far from an ideal addition for the Flames.
2. Zero chance Ty Smith passes through waivers, he should absolutely make the Penguins starting roster next year


Ty Smith is an RFA, he's almost certainly not getting a one way contract offer anyway.

Point about POJ is only valid if they send him down after the trade.
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 52
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Ty Smith is an RFA, he's almost certainly not getting a one way contract offer anyway.

Point about POJ is only valid if they send him down after the trade.


Ty smith getting a 1-way deal or not does not negate the fact that he is no-longer waiver exempt starting this season

POJ has no spot in Calgary's top 6 with the return of Kylington. He is not a good fit
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 56
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Ty smith getting a 1-way deal or not does not negate the fact that he is no-longer waiver exempt starting this season

POJ has no spot in Calgary's top 6 with the return of Kylington. He is not a good fit


Ah that's true, I didn't realize he was passed the point of no return. I'd move to just undo the signing then, honestly.
4 juin 2023 à 14 h 59
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The blues acquired him for a 7th round pick, now they're getting goaltending depth (which they need) and former first round pick Sam Poulin who is going to be there during their rebuild. DeSmith would honestly be their #1 goalie within a month LOL
so since the Blues got Vrana (at 50% retained) for cheap, they should give him to Pittsburgh for scraps?
4 juin 2023 à 15 h 0
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Dube is a decent piece, but you can find guys like him in free agency. There is no need to waste a 1st rounder or a young dirt cheap defender.
4 juin 2023 à 15 h 2
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4 juin 2023 à 15 h 4
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Quoting: Dunphy66
The blues acquired him for a 7th round pick, now they're getting goaltending depth (which they need) and former first round pick Sam Poulin who is going to be there during their rebuild. DeSmith would honestly be their #1 goalie within a month LOL


Blues got him for a 7th because of his off ice problems. He played well for the blues and might even return to his former numbers. So there is no need to give him away for a backup goaltender when the blues already have Binnington and Hofer. Also Poulin is a formers first who is putting up pretty bad numbers. He is also 22 and hasn't shown anything promising in the NHL or even the AHL. He has little value to the blues when our own 2nd round pick from the same draft has better AHL and NHL numbers than Poulin does
4 juin 2023 à 16 h 13
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Blues got him for a 7th because of his off ice problems. He played well for the blues and might even return to his former numbers. So there is no need to give him away for a backup goaltender when the blues already have Binnington and Hofer. Also Poulin is a formers first who is putting up pretty bad numbers. He is also 22 and hasn't shown anything promising in the NHL or even the AHL. He has little value to the blues when our own 2nd round pick from the same draft has better AHL and NHL numbers than Poulin does


DeSmith would literally become the best goalie in their system, immediately. That's how bad the blues goaltending situation is.

Vrana is walking after his next season, and they will not get anything better than this deal for him. Multiple blues players went on a PDO bender near the deadline, including Vrana & Kapanen. There's a chance Vrana could be a solid bottom six / tweener, and there's a chance that he could absolutely flame out of the league and be more trouble than he's worth.

People acting like this is a bad deal have some weird perception of Binnington because he also went on a PDO heater in one playoff and won a cup. Guy is a sideway step from Matt Murray's current play.
4 juin 2023 à 17 h 2
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DeSmith would literally become the best goalie in their system, immediately. That's how bad the blues goaltending situation is.

Vrana is walking after his next season, and they will not get anything better than this deal for him. Multiple blues players went on a PDO bender near the deadline, including Vrana & Kapanen. There's a chance Vrana could be a solid bottom six / tweener, and there's a chance that he could absolutely flame out of the league and be more trouble than he's worth.

People acting like this is a bad deal have some weird perception of Binnington because he also went on a PDO heater in one playoff and won a cup. Guy is a sideway step from Matt Murray's current play.


The blues already have Binnington so he is not going anywhere because no one will take him. We are having our best goalie prospect in hofer as the backup so there is no room for DeSmith. Having DeSmith on our team doesn't do anything for the blues if they are still going to be bad next year. We are not trying to be stanley cup contenders, we are retooling so adding DeSmith makes zero sense for us. If Vrana does well the blues can sell him at the deadline for a better package instead of a goalie we don't need and a washed up 1st round pick who sucks. IF vrana sucks then that's ok as well because he is only here for 1 year so it doesn't hurt us. Vrana is a lottery ticket.
4 juin 2023 à 17 h 5
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Quoting: Dunphy66
DeSmith would literally become the best goalie in their system, immediately. That's how bad the blues goaltending situation is.

Vrana is walking after his next season, and they will not get anything better than this deal for him. Multiple blues players went on a PDO bender near the deadline, including Vrana & Kapanen. There's a chance Vrana could be a solid bottom six / tweener, and there's a chance that he could absolutely flame out of the league and be more trouble than he's worth.

People acting like this is a bad deal have some weird perception of Binnington because he also went on a PDO heater in one playoff and won a cup. Guy is a sideway step from Matt Murray's current play.


The old look how great my stuff is now give me your awful stuff for it.

If the Blues want goaltending depth it’s much easier to sign cheap vet depth like we did with Greiss last season. Hofer was signed to a one-way contract for a reason. There’s every intention of him getting a lot of ice time at the NHL level going forward.

Versus your passive aggressive used car salesman tactic for no reason as we have no say in what actually happens. I think that the Blues are happy with keeping Vrana after he scored on a 40 goal pace the second half of last season. I don’t believe he will score 40goals but he’s a very cheap effective point producer. Puolin hasn’t developed well, nor do we need forward prospects. This trade has no reasoning for STL and frankly if you remove Vrana there’s still no reason for the Blues to do it.
4 juin 2023 à 17 h 14
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I doubt blues accept that
5 juin 2023 à 7 h 48
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The old look how great my stuff is now give me your awful stuff for it.

If the Blues want goaltending depth it’s much easier to sign cheap vet depth like we did with Greiss last season. Hofer was signed to a one-way contract for a reason. There’s every intention of him getting a lot of ice time at the NHL level going forward.

Versus your passive aggressive used car salesman tactic for no reason as we have no say in what actually happens. I think that the Blues are happy with keeping Vrana after he scored on a 40 goal pace the second half of last season. I don’t believe he will score 40goals but he’s a very cheap effective point producer. Puolin hasn’t developed well, nor do we need forward prospects. This trade has no reasoning for STL and frankly if you remove Vrana there’s still no reason for the Blues to do it.


He played 20 games.

The goaltending UFA market is not great this year, and the ones that are available aren't going to sign with a team who's likely to be at the bottom of the standings next year

I hope they don't trade him, he scores 70 next year and than walks for nothing next summer just so I can watch Blues fan's on the forum, who didn't even know who Vrana was 6 months ago, whine and complain about the fact that they didn't move him at the deadline.
5 juin 2023 à 8 h 35
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that flames trade is awful for us
5 juin 2023 à 9 h 32
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Flames trade is pretty bad for the Pens. Not a fan of the Dallas one either - and you have the cap space to keep Petry. Blues probably decline.

Pens should definitely not sign Kulikov. You have cap space to work with too
 
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