Flyers should accept

Nah, if we trade for an Avs defenseman it better be Toews.

(Which he’s probably not available anyways)

Not this Pens fan, zero interest in Girard.

If I'm GM, I definitely offer Toews before Girard unless DT is taking a MASSIVE discount and is willing to go only 6 years.

Not all Pens fans. But have seen several Pens ACGM's trying to trade draft picks for Girard. Which doesn't make sense from an Avs perspective without in turn flipping those assets for F help.

Hronek went for a 1st and 2nd no way COL accepts less. Drouin and Arvidsson is one to many imo one or the other not both.

I can't envision a scenario in which the Avs trade Girard for futures simply for cap relief. The Hayes thing is, I think, a lot of speculation but maybe it would work; I'd offer the 2024 1st before the 2023 1st.

u dont want kevin hayes trust me. he just doesnt fit the avs game imo. hes slow and was a lazy defender last year. i dont think he can keep up

Too much retention

$1 mil less retention and sure.

Lets go down that road then - what would the Pens need to give up for Toews?

I don't know the Pens system but the conversation would start with a good young forward that can play C and has scoring upside, a decent D or other F plus something like a 2nd. Avs need immediate help up front but they can't wait on prospects to develop and need cost certainty. It's a tall order but Toews is a top-pair D so, that's going to cost whomever wants him.

That's my big concern with Hayes - he just doesn't work in the Avs system.

Word - I appreciate the response. The only decent prospect they have that can really play C is Poulin. Decent D assets are POJ, Ty Smith, and Pickering - Smith and POJ are obviously NHL ready and very cheap. Forwards would be Nylander/Puustinen. I know it's tough because we don't really fit that C need that you have. Personally I'd be willing to give the 2024 first if that has more value than Poulin. But if Poulin, Smith/POJ, and a 2nd would get the job done I think I'd be all over that.