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The real Winnipeg trade

Créé par: jonh514
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 11 mai 2023
Publié: 11 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Connor is the only player in WPG I would really truly want. He's awesome, and if they are rebuilding, he might be available?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
37 000 000 $
87 000 000 $
31 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1800 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Connor, Kyle
Détails additionnels:
IMO Connor is easily worth the 5 OA pick
WPG
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
WPG
  1. Hoffman, Mike
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Roy, Joshua
Détails additionnels:
If you insist!
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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Logo de SJS
Logo de MTL
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Logo de EDM
2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $73 025 356 $1 170 000 $4 195 000 $10 474 644 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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7 142 857 $7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 3
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
UFA - 8
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3

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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 27
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Jets counter with their 2023 1st and Scheifele for Caufield, Slaf, Dach and Suzuki
11 mai 2023 à 10 h 28
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Jets counter with their 2023 1st and Scheifele for Caufield, Slaf, Dach and Suzuki


Regarding which trade please?
11 mai 2023 à 10 h 29
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Debrincat netted Chicago 7 OA, 39 OA, and a 3rd.

Connor is considerably better than Dubcat.
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 30
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Debrincat netted Chicago 7 OA, 39 OA, and a 3rd.

Connor is considerably better than Dubcat.


Fair. But 7th in 2023 > 7th in 2022...

FWIW... I am ok adding
11 mai 2023 à 10 h 32
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Regarding which trade please?


Yes
11 mai 2023 à 10 h 33
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Quoting: Lenny7
Debrincat netted Chicago 7 OA, 39 OA, and a 3rd.

Connor is considerably better than Dubcat.


Michkov is considerably better than Korchinski. False equivalence is easy here.

Ignoring the fact that this draft is eons better in 2023 as opposed to 2022 is intellectually dishonest and lazy.
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 35
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Michkov is considerably better than Korchinski. False equivalence is easy here.


I think it's fair to say.. add this or that late pick, I can understand why. But if we are 90% of the way to a deal... I would do it
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 37
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I think it's fair to say.. add this or that late pick, I can understand why. But if we are 90% of the way to a deal... I would do it


I am literally the last person here to overvalue draft picks. I definitely trade the 5th overall for Connor BUT my point was that ppl here will lie to themselves/others to prove a point and it makes discussion impossible
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 39
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Love Connor, not giving up Michkov, Smith or Carlsson for him though
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 44
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Love Connor, not giving up Michkov, Smith or Carlsson for him though


Smith has a lot of questions marks. Compete? Consistency? Defensive awareness? Not sold on Carlsson's upside. Michkov, well, a ton of question marks there. Still he outscored Will Smith as a 16 year old in the U18 . His upside is a lot closer to Connor Bedard than ppl will admit.

Now would I trade a 1% chance at getting Michkov in 3 years as opposed to 100% chance at a 60 point player in Carlsson..?...NO! Otherwise, this org will never win anything if they dont take BIG swings and there in lies the dilemma with the pick. Connor is already at 80-90 point levels. Risk/reward needs to be weighed, always
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 48
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Connor will probably need a 2nd also
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11 mai 2023 à 10 h 49
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Fair. But 7th in 2023 > 7th in 2022...

FWIW... I am ok adding


100%, and 5 > 7. I just think there needs to be more here. You *know* what you're getting in Connor...point per game player in his prime, vs. the uncertainty that comes at 5.
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11 mai 2023 à 12 h 52
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Quoting: GradyTheOtherXhekaj
Connor will probably need a 2nd also


If that's all than I see no blockers
11 mai 2023 à 13 h 0
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
Smith has a lot of questions marks. Compete? Consistency? Defensive awareness? Not sold on Carlsson's upside. Michkov, well, a ton of question marks there. Still he outscored Will Smith as a 16 year old in the U18 . His upside is a lot closer to Connor Bedard than ppl will admit.

Now would I trade a 1% chance at getting Michkov in 3 years as opposed to 100% chance at a 60 point player in Carlsson..?...NO! Otherwise, this org will never win anything if they dont take BIG swings and there in lies the dilemma with the pick. Connor is already at 80-90 point levels. Risk/reward needs to be weighed, always


I think Connor can be a 90pts player for 5 years in MTL starting next year. I don't know why we feel the need to wait for players to develop. They can develop while we're winning
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