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Dvorak

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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 8 mai 2023
Publié: 8 mai 2023
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8 mai 2023 à 16 h 24
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Not sure why Calgary would do this and not go to Florida directly, as In sure they don't want Dvorak.
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8 mai 2023 à 16 h 29
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Is this a Troll post!?

Massive over pay for Duclair and massive underpay for Dube & Ruzicka

Dube has more value than Duclair and Ruzicka’s value is likely = Duclair who’s a Pending Free Agent likely due $4-5mil/yr+ on his next contract depending on how well he plays this season

They are more valuable than Dvorak. IOW:

Dube = 1st Round Pick
Ruzicka = Duclair = 2nd round Pick
Dvorak = 3rd Round Pick + Sweetener, maybe?
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8 mai 2023 à 18 h 9
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Is this a Troll post!?

Massive over pay for Duclair and massive underpay for Dube & Ruzicka

Dube has more value than Duclair and Ruzicka’s value is likely = Duclair who’s a Pending Free Agent likely due $4-5mil/yr+ on his next contract depending on how well he plays this season

They are more valuable than Dvorak. IOW:

Dube = 1st Round Pick
Ruzicka = Duclair = 2nd round Pick
Dvorak = 3rd Round Pick + Sweetener, maybe?


Duclair > Ruzicka
8 mai 2023 à 18 h 57
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Duclair > Ruzicka

Duclair is the Better Player, but he’s also a Pending Free Agent, whereas Ruzicka’s Younger and an RFA, so his value should be considered higher

Put Ruzicka in the same situations/opportunities as Duclair gets and he’ll put up decent numbers and eclipse him within a season or two

Duclair definitely has more experience, emotion and energy, but he also has an injury history and will be 28 soon, so doesn’t have near the amount of peak years ahead of him that Ruzicka does
8 mai 2023 à 20 h 27
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Duclair is the Better Player, but he’s also a Pending Free Agent, whereas Ruzicka’s Younger and an RFA, so his value should be considered higher

Put Ruzicka in the same situations/opportunities as Duclair gets and he’ll put up decent numbers and eclipse him within a season or two

Duclair definitely has more experience, emotion and energy, but he also has an injury history and will be 28 soon, so doesn’t have near the amount of peak years ahead of him that Ruzicka does


Their contracts don’t change their value. At the trade deadline duclair will get more than Ruzika at any time of the year. Ruzika hasn’t proven he can produce at Duclairs level. I’m not saying it will never happen I’m just saying currently, no, Duclair has more value.
8 mai 2023 à 20 h 55
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Their contracts don’t change their value. At the trade deadline duclair will get more than Ruzika at any time of the year. Ruzika hasn’t proven he can produce at Duclairs level. I’m not saying it will never happen I’m just saying currently, no, Duclair has more value.

Age and Contract Status (especially their Cap Hit, Terms and whether they are under Team Control) definitely affect a Player’s Value

That’s like saying Crosby has more value than Bedard, because nothing else matters, whereas Bedard is obviously more valuable, since Crosby is at the tail end of his career, whereas Bedard is just starting his and will be great ‘& valuable for years to come
10 mai 2023 à 19 h 32
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Age and Contract Status (especially their Cap Hit, Terms and whether they are under Team Control) definitely affect a Player’s Value

That’s like saying Crosby has more value than Bedard, because nothing else matters, whereas Bedard is obviously more valuable, since Crosby is at the tail end of his career, whereas Bedard is just starting his and will be great ‘& valuable for years to come


I was specifically relating to these two players not an absurd completely unrelated example you tried to make. I’m not even going to explain to you how unrealistic and ridiculous that rebuttal was. Either way, Ruzika does not provide the same level of talent Duclair currently does. And there are more teams willing to pay more for what Duclair has to offer right now then what Ruzika might have to offer IF he develops into the NHL player you suggest he will become.
10 mai 2023 à 19 h 46
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I was specifically relating to these two players not an absurd completely unrelated example you tried to make. I’m not even going to explain to you how unrealistic and ridiculous that rebuttal was. Either way, Ruzika does not provide the same level of talent Duclair currently does. And there are more teams willing to pay more for what Duclair has to offer right now then what Ruzika might have to offer IF he develops into the NHL player you suggest he will become.

Well I would Trade RFA Dube who’s just entering his prime straight up for Duclair without at least 50% retained and an compensatory RFA/Pick coming back

Same goes for Ruzicka. I might swap them 1-for-1 then again probably not. Ruzicka is Bigger, Younger and Healthier and has all the Talent & Skill Duclair does, he just needs to get more Physical & Emotional with his Game and a more Experience

Duclair has an injury history now and missed the majority of the season. Like Oliver Kylington, his value should have dropped as a result and again, he’s a Pending UFA and we’re talking off-season Trade, not Deadline, so you’re not getting a premium for Duclair
 
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