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Créé par: mvp13

Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 7 mars 2023

Publié: 30 avr. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I feel like this team would still have a lot of question marks... on defense in general, lack of a proper PP QB, in net... but, at least at forward, this is a seriously well rounded lineup as long as Slaf and RHP can produce. This team should at the very least be a lot more competitive than it is this year, while it works out the rest of the kinks. If they're performing well, perhaps they try to get a better goalie or defensemen at the TDL. I wouldn't waste assets on it just yet until you see how this lineup unfolds to start the year.

Stanely is largely a throw-in with the PLD deal, primarily in case Edmundson gets injured, or one of the younger players struggles. I imagine Barron or even Mailoux will get some reps, especially considering how left-handed this dcorps is. For fun, I added them to the roster. It was a bit too painful to watch too many MTL games this year, but I do believe Goul-ee and Harris and Arber are all better than Barron, right now, anyway. The problem is too many lefties, but such is life...

I considered signing Gurianov, but I don't know if it's worth it. I am also a DAL fan, so I just have barely any confidence in the guy. There are too many wingers on this roster as is to have another one lying around. I think it's best to set him free to a team that can play him in the top 6 where he can hopefully find his game. I can't imagine the other UFAs returning, unless Monahan somehow gets magic surgery.

PS: I started this team a long time ago, I don't know why I gave Goalfield and Pizzafetta 5 year terms haha... too lazy to erase it and start over, so sub in different terms as needed.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Caufield, Cole	5	7 000 000 $
Pezzetta, Michael	5	1 000 000 $
Dubois, Pierre-Luc	8	8 000 000 $
Stanley, Logan	1	900 000 $
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël	1	1 000 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
Stanley, Logan [Droits de RFA]

WPG

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)

Détails additionnels:

Add in whatever prospect would be necessary

MTL

To anywhere. Chicago is the new Arizona

CHI

Gurianov, Denis [Droits de RFA]
Hoffman, Mike

Détails additionnels:

Add whatever else would need to be added to make it work

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 833 333 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
25	83 500 000 $	72 569 999 $	1 170 000 $	4 277 500 $	10 930 001 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Caufield, Cole 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 7	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 4
Slafkovsky, Juraj 950 000 $950 000 $ (3 500 000 $$4M) AD, AG RFA - 2	Dubois, Pierre-Luc 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 8	Dach, Kirby 3 362 500 $3 362 500 $ C, AD RFA - 3
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pezzetta, Michael 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
	Pitlick, Rem 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Allen, Jake 1 925 000 $1 925 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Harris, Jordan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Montembeault, Samuel 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Xhekaj, Arber 828 333 $828 333 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Guhle, Kaiden 863 333 $863 333 $ (420 000 $$420K) DG/DD RFA - 2
Stanley, Logan 900 000 $900 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Barron, Justin 925 000 $925 000 $ (275 000 $$275K) DD RFA - 1
	Mailloux, Logan 875 000 $875 000 $ (82 500 $$82K) DD RFA - 3
	Wideman, Chris 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 3

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Gallagher, B.		Suzuki, N.		Dubois, P.
	Caufield, C.		Matheson, M.

Avantage numérique 2
Anderson, J.		Dach, K.		Slafkovsky, J.
	Harvey-Pinard, R.		Savard, D.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Dvorak, C.	Gallagher, B.
	Edmundson, J.	Savard, D.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Suzuki, N.	Dach, K.
	Matheson, M.	Xhekaj, A.

30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 19

Stars4Life

Stars

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Slavkosky Sucks, bro move him down

30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 27

MoSeider53

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Winnipeg still wants to compete, Going to take more than just the 17th OA pick to get PLD and Stanley.

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30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 33

swinny

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Quoting: TheAce

Slavkosky Sucks, bro move him down

I don't think he sucks, but having him play in Laval for the year would be more beneficial imo..... the Habs are exactly going places next year. Give him a chance to play major minutes, get used to the North American game and gain confidence.

Now for more:

With some more than minor changes coming in Winnipeg, moving on PDL is in the wheelhouse. But......

1. The Habs have zero use for Stanley.... far too deep on the blueline imo. I get you have concerns, but the skill and youth the Habs have in the backend need to play to gain experience and get better.

Further, if Winnipeg is going to move PDL, I think you are adding Beck at the very least. A straight up first that is mid pack probably falls short.

2. Hoffman to Chicago looks obvious, and a move I too have looked at. The question here is whether the Hawks feel they get a player they can flip at the TDL for a decent asset. Although I say yes, I wonder if at $2.25 million (knowing retention is totally happening) the Hawks do better than a 3rd or if they do better being a broker.

They have to make basement, so it makes sense, more the retention issue, which maybe the Habs take on knowing they are moving much else off the roster using a retention spot.

I know this seems counter productive for the Hawks, buy they have the option of a series on 1 year deals to get them to floor, so greasing a wheel maybe a good idea.

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30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 41

Stars4Life

Stars

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Ok, thanks for telling me your opinion.

I do think they should give him some time in the minors tho, it will help him improve his game.

He isn't ready for the NHL level yet

30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 46

MarkWinnipeg

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This is what I love about Hockey fans. On one hand you have Dubois a perennial 60-65 point player up to this point that every habs fan thinks is worth next to nothing. Yet when Suzuki comes up he's oh so much better and worth oh so much more as a smaller perennial 60-65 point player.

In any event if it's just picks and prospects coming back. This years 5th overall, Florida's 17th overall and Justin Barron.

I honestly don't see Dubois endeding up in Montreal though, if the fan base is a reflection of how much the organizantion would value him. He's yet to say he doesn't want to play in winnipeg, also he never said he'd only play in Montreal should listen to his end of season comments "There's lots of fake stuff thrown out there in the news".

If he does want to be moved if the habs go about nickle and diming Chevy for the price and Dubois for the contract, a team like the Panthers will swoop in and offer him more money and less taxes.

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30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 52

palhal

LongtimeLeafsufferer

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Don't expect second line forward PLD to be that much of a difference maker.

30 avr. 2023 à 11 h 57

mvp13

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Quoting: MarkWinnipeg

How am I saying that PLD is worth next to nothing? It's a 1st round pick for an unsigned player, a player who (obviously everyone is assuming) doesn't want to sign in WPG. MTL can easily just wait until next year if the price continues to be too insane. It also literally says "add whatever prospect to get it done"... I'm not personally a big prospect guy and don't have a huge gauge on who is good, and who isn't. I'm not saying the prospect is optional at all, it should be added. I just don't know who is good enough to make the deal happen, and who WPG would want.

Two first round picks and a prospect for an unsigned player is never going to happen. MTL would be really stupid to do that. I'd wait one more year if that was the true cost.

PS: you try to insult my hockey IQ, then say that the Panthers will offer him more money??? With what cap space? Get a clue.

30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 12

MarkWinnipeg

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Quoting: mvp13

I said a team like the panthers, I didn't say only the panthers would do that. Just like his agent saying he might want to play in Montreal one day doesn't mean that's the only place he's willing to play. If your a hockey fan and not just a habs fan, take off your habs blinders and look around the rest of the league. There are 30 other teams that would like to have Dubois if Winnipeg is out of the running.

30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 19

ohmyjlord

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What's the purpose of paying to acquire Logan Stanley ?
With Matheson, Guhle, Harris, Xhekaj (not even counting Struble, Beaudin and eventually Hutson and Engstrom), we already have more LHD than we can afford to play.

30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 34

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ohmyjlord

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Quoting: MarkWinnipeg

Context diminishes Dubois' value when compared to Suzuki. It has nothing to do with their [very different set of] skills.

Quoting: MarkWinnipeg

In any event if it's just picks and prospects coming back. This years 5th overall, Florida's 17th overall and Justin Barron.

You're dreaming buddy. Horvat got Vancouver Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty and a conditionnal 1st (Top-12 protected). And that's in a season where Horvat was producing at more than a point per game, and with the Isles hopeful they could extend Horvat (which they did less than a week later). Dubois isn't even gonna get you that...not from the Habs, not from anyone.

Quoting: MarkWinnipeg

I honestly don't see Dubois endeding up in Montreal though, if the fan base is a reflection of how much the organizantion would value him. He's yet to say he doesn't want to play in winnipeg, also he never said he'd only play in Montreal should listen to his end of season comments "There's lots of fake stuff thrown out there in the news".

If he does want to be moved if the habs go about nickle and diming Chevy for the price and Dubois for the contract, a team like the Panthers will swoop in and offer him more money and less taxes.

How is $8.0m (offered in this ACGM) nickle and diming Dubois for the contract ?

Quoting: MarkWinnipeg

Most teams that could be interested in acquiring Dubois as a one-year rental either don't have a 1st round pick in 2023 (because they've traded it already) or are so tight against the cap that it would prevent them to acquire Dubois before the deadline, where it'll be easier for them to absorb his contract. Rebuilding team that do have the draft assets to make a deal won't be sacrificing it for one year of Dubois. So you're probably looking at a trade market of 2-3 teams other than the Habs, this summer.

30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 42

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mvp13

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Quoting: MarkWinnipeg

You said the Panthers, then mentioned Florida's low taxes, but nice try...

I'm sure all 31 other teams are also interested in Connor McDavid, but unfortunately there is a thing called a salary cap, and looming RFA status, where PLD is in near complete control of where he would like to play long term. The fact that WPG and PLD didn't secure a long term deal, and instead he only signed his qualifying offer last offseason, certainly dictates that there are issues between the two. I'm not going by tabloids or Twitter, I'm going by that fact.

30 avr. 2023 à 12 h 47

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mvp13

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Quoting: ohmyjlord

In this case, I don't really think that MTL would be spending anything to get him, and I consider him a "future considerations" part of this deal. Stanley has been requesting a trade out of WPG the last two years and gets no playing time. He has virtually no value to them, plus he's also unsigned. I thought MTL could like the security in getting a more "veteran" guy for "free" just in case the season goes well and they need some better defense, and again, if Edmundson can't go all year

He could also be completely left out if MTL is confident in their D. I'm just not, personally haha... of course, that doesn't matter. I don't think Stanley is gonna win the Norris or anything, but having 3 or 4 ELC defensemen on the roster is normally a recipe for complete disaster

30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 9

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MarkWinnipeg

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Well I'll save the thread, if I'm wrong and Dubois nets so little in a trade to Montreal that is, if he doesn't end somewhere else and all he gets is 8 million * 8. As a Jets Fan I'd be comfortable going as high as 9.5-10.5 as he's a Unicorn in the way he's big, physical, gets under the other teams skin alla Marchand or Tkachuk and he also plays center. But maybe I'm wrong and if so I'll be sure to post an appology and eat some crow on this thread 😂😂😂.

30 avr. 2023 à 13 h 14

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MarkWinnipeg

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Quoting: mvp13

Literally ever team in the league has less income tax ramifications then Montreal. Florida, Tamps, Seattle, Vegas, Dallas and Nashville all have 0% state taxes.

"a team like the panthers" is what I said scroll up my friend.

1 mai 2023 à 4 h 41

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Aussie_Blackhawk

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Quoting: swinny

Indeed, the wheel needs to be greased for CHI to take on Hoffman. We will have a lot of teams wanting us to take salary off their hands so I would assume the price won't be something teams will want to be paying so easily and will look to find alternative solutions.

Also Gurianov doesn't move the wheel and even possibly doesn't get tendered meaning if we want to try him out, we can sign him as a FA.

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