Sabres already have enough centers, they are not a fit for Scheifele. Would rather keep those pieces.

The Jets have no reason to give Dubois away for less than a pure rental price.

Buffalo isn't trading their 23 1st and the Jets don't need UPL unless they move Helly.

thats pretty bang on to a rental price, depending on the demand/market at the deadline.

Not really. The Jets could probably bank on getting a better prospect especially with adding a pick.

thats usually how it works, if you give up more you get back more so not sure why that matters to the above offer. They might be able to get a better prospect but would probably come with a lower first round pick potentially. And as far as a pure rental without with little change of resigning you arent going to get much more than that for a 60-70 point centerman.

Meh. You look at what Horvat got. The Jets should be able to expect at least the same for a younger, better player with more term. This doesn't equal that rental price, so likely the Jets can get better.

difference is dubois on a 40 goal pace, nor is he captain material so not a better player, on par maybe but even that is debatable, and 4 years difference is irrelevant for a rental player. So ya no they shouldnt just assume they will get the same return especially since Horvat had a better chance of resigning to whomever he was traded too and the 1st was still top 12 protected.

Yeah, all those things matter. Just because you don't want them to matter, doesn't change the fact that they do. PLD is a younger, better version of Horvat with more team control. Hence more valuable.

how do you rebuild the jets without trading helly

You can’t compare Horvat trade with Dubois potential return. Horvat was not a rental (Lou knew he was going to extend him), every team know Dubois wants to play for MTL so will either leave or ask for a ridiculous contract in 2024 and Horvat was on pace for an exceptional season. A true rental value comparaison would be Kane or Tarasenko.

The Jets will most likely trade Dubois to a team where he is willing to extend. It's exactly the same situation. Except New York had no guarantee Horvat would extend (although it's not hard to convince guys to stay in New York).

Yeah, and what a mistake that was by Lou.. Giving up so much for Horvat and then extending him. Horvat is nice 65 point centre. Since the trade 26 games, 11 points and minus 7.

Maybe a better reason for Horvat to sign was he was not going to get a 8 year deal from any other team or even a 8.5m per year. It hasn't look good for the Isles this year. Really liked the trade by the Canucks, though I didn't like the trade of the first for Hronavk (from Detroit)

Hey bud, how to you like my picture of my as 7 year old on my backyard rink?

Did you heard Brisson and Friedman? Dubois seems to have chosen the team where he wants to extend long term. With Dubois history of wanting out, don’t think many teams will be willing to give a 1st and a A prospect with the risk of loosing him in UFA if he decides not to extend. Horvat and Dubois situations are completly different.

Lots of teams trade for good UFAs (closer to TDL), and no expectations of resigning them due to cap restraints. If I'm the Jets, three options, and I'm not sure what is best. Keep him the whole season and hope for long playoff run, trade at TDL, trade with Montreal this summer. Personally I like the third...the Montreal trade, and look for centre with cap available with PLD traded. Gets rid of a season long distraction.

Trades with no resigning expectation at the TDL are generally for late picks and B prospects. For the 1 year contract and hope to make the playoff scenario, personally I think they should just go into a complete rebuild. They always have locker room/attitude problems, they are a fringe playoff team and most good players have an exipiring UFA contract in 2024. The MTL trade is the better option but they might get as low as CGY 1st (either 2024 or 2025), a prospect like Kidney/Harris and a NHL player.

There's been zero new news on the Dubois situation since last summer. Everything since has been hopes, wishes and fantasies from Montreal media and fans. Could it be true? Possibly. But right now we have ni reason to believe there aren't several teams PLD is win l willing to sign long term with.

I understand that you don't want to accept the Horvat comparable as you want to rationalize low value offers, but the reality is Horvat was traded in the exact same situation with less team control. Making it a prefect example for the minimum realistic return fir PLD with the info we have now.

End of March 2023:
Friedman:
“I think the Jets have talked to the Canadians on and off about Dubois. We know Dubois is going to end up there 95%. Is there some way we make the deal so the Canadiens get him earlier and we get something we want. I think they’ve talked about that but they haven’t been able to make the deal.”

The insider with the most credibilty saying that Dubois is going to end up in MTL will scare most teams to be honest. I’m not rationalizing low value offers, I am being realistic.

1st CGY 2024/2025 + Kidney/Harris + Hoffman/Dvorak is clearly not a lowball offer. It is the same base as Horvat trade. If I was KH, I would not trade for Dubois. I would play the waiting game instead.

Friedman had never broken anything on theJets and is just giving his opinion. It's not based on anything new.

The Jets aren't waiting 3 drafts for a 1st if all they are getting is a C prospect and a cap dump. Harris and Dvorak have no value to the Jets.

Raty is better than Kidney/Harris and Beauviller is better than Dvorak/Hoffman. So, you're offer won't be competitive. You'd be best off waiting and hoping PLD makes it to UFA.

He broke a lot of deals involving Brisson’s clients.

Kidney and Harris = C prospects ? Do you watch few hockey games here and there?
Kidney is one of the best QMJHL prospect with about 3 points per game since January and Harris had a very good NHL rookie season.

Winnipeg will take the best offer in the table, nobody is going to give a 2023 top 15 pick for Dubois knowing all the risks.

Tried to explain to this absolute narcissist that nobody is coughing up a Horvat-esque return for an extremely sheltered 2C

He then proceeded to tell me that PLD was "much, much better" than Suzuki. (He isn't)
Everyone on any other team is complete garbage and everybody on Winnipeg is made of solid gold to him.

Dude is a lost cause. Definitely dropped on his head a time or two as a baby.